Why is it those who are divorced or have made mistakes in their lives.....

Superwoman:

Do you really want an answer to your question? You say you want to know why you are treated as a 2nd class citizen. Yet when people on this board try to tell you why you want to argue with them.

Look, you can believe they are wrong, you can believe you deserve a second chance, you can believe your a good role model, you can believe anything you want.

Others have shared why they would not want you in a position of authority in their church or in a place of leadership over their children. Everyone is not going to accept, embrace, or excuse the choices you have made and you can't make them. You can say they are wrong. You can say they should not judge you. But they do and that is why.

You might as well argue why the sky is blue. People are just like that and you are not going to change them. They are going to judge you and a big part of the reason why is the choices you have made.

Can you change? Can you do better? Can you life for God? Of course you can, but you better not expect everyone to just forgive and forget, people are not like that.

 

Because of the bible, thats why.

before the pregnant divorced woman was hypothetical.

Sounds like it's already been cleared up, once you go back and read whats been posted in the past. Her husband committed adultry, she committed adultry and got pregnant, it was totally wrong for him to committ adultry, but ok for her, since all shes done is defend her adultry. It's amatter fo the heart, and she still approves and defends her wrong, this is a heart issue. Full repentance means not just I'm sorry I did this, but a turning away from it, where you know and beleive the behavior was wrong, and you seek not to do it again, you do not ever make excusess for it seeming tomake it sound like it was ok and should be accepted. Otherwise it has not actually been repented of.

You don't see lying as misrepresenting?

Shes pregnant with another man's baby not her ex husband's, she's not a victim. She could ahve been, could ahve claimed to be had she not had an affair, then of course divorced her husband for having an affair. Yes, sometimes there are obviouls victims in divorce, but not in this case, except for the kids, whose parents played adultry games and ripped their family apart.

It's not that people beleive they are perfect, it is that they take their christianity seriously, and beleive is seeking to live out scripture and not make excuses when they fail, but agree with God about their sin, and seek to turn from it. Something you over and over have made excuses not to do, but rather search for excuses to say your sin is ok, nothing to change. Any christian who idsagrees with you sin is being mean and evil to you as far as you see it. You think christians should accept your sin and your claim that sin is alright, if not they think their prefect according to you.

 

I know exactly what you mean. I divorced my first wife because of adultery after she told me "I won't change." My second wife divorced me after she realized that I wasn't perfect like she was. :laugh:

I've always used my talent in singing and song leading in churches since I was saved as a teen. However, I had deacons in two churches who didn't want me to lead the singing because of being divorced.

In Bible college (I was in my 30's) I was told I couldn't be a counselor at a children's summer camp because of being divorced. They were afraid I would talk about it to the kids. I asked, "Why would I talk to children about my being divorced?" "You might", I was told.

Discrimination of all kinds are rampant--even among Christians. I'm treated like an outcast because of being single--despite having been married twice, and having two daughters and four grandkids. After all, everyone knows you can't trust us "dreaded single people."

 

What kind of churches do you guys go to???

I don't know of any divorced person in our church that is treated like you describe.

Divorced people make up over half the population in this country. It is so common place these days that it has been accepted as normal. It's the ones that stay married that are abnormal today. Most of the people I know in our church have been divorced. Some are remarried. It's quite hard to keep up with whose children are whose. I just don't see this discrimination that you are talking about. In our church, we love one another regardless of marital status, although divorce is still against God's design and we teach that.

 

People tend to think that just because divorce is so prevelant in the church it some how makes it alright. Just because a large precentage of christians are divorced does not make it anymore ok when when Jesus spoke about it. The culture around us should never be allowed to dictate what we believe as christians when scripture has already spoken on the topic. Just because everyone is doing does not make it right. If we use the nuber of divorced christians to make it sound more alright to do, then what about other sins 'everyone' is doing, are they alright becasue everyone is doing it, because a large number of christians are doing it/ What about adultry, is that alright becasue a lot of christians do it? It is culturally acceptabe, and seems to be acceptable to some christians, is it alright too? Or do we get to choose for ourselves which sins are alright and which are not? Or, do we do something not quite so unique, and simply believe God?
Divorce is not alright, it is not acceptable no matter how many are doing it. Jesus said Moses allowed it becasue of the hardness of the heart, divorce is the acknowledgement of a hard heart, He also said from the beginning it was not so, the beginning, Adam and Eve the first marriage, created by God, since then to Moses divorces was not allowed, God did not allow it. God does not approve of it. yet we try our best to make it sound so good and nice and acceptable, why just because so many are doing it, or we're so new and updated and modern and know so much more then bible times people.
Sin is still sin.

 

God never divorced you. Immaturity and insecurity causes one to judge another.

2 Cor. 1:3-5 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. For just as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ. "

 

I hope this wasn't directed at my post because I most certainly do not think divorce is alright. My point was that society in general accepts it and therefore I don't see the discrimination that superwoman was talking about. Jesus made it clear that divorce is against God's creation of marriage and I agree with Him. But I do not treat divorced Christians as 2nd class citizens. We are all sinners.

 

No it was not directed at you or your post.

 

If you were so against the divorce, then why were you dating other men before your divorce was final? And even got pregnant with one of them before it was final?

And no, I am nowhere near perfect, but I am not on this board trying to justify my own sinful actions.

And I went back and read your previous posts about how the Bible is wrong by placing the man at the head of a household/family. Anf how a woman can do anything that a man can do, regardless if there are biblical instructions to do otherwise. (pastoring was the topic)

Can I ask you a personal question? My sister in law was a devout christian until her husband left her. Now she hates men and the church that supports the authority of men, and she has become a lesbian.

I hope that you have not become attracted to women, but your posts sound like you are looking for an excuse to deny biblical doctrine, and justify your self reliance and hate for men.

Is there anything that you havent told us?

PS, moderators, I am not questioning her sexuality from a judemental stance, only from an oppurtunity to try to understand her more, and from her own statements rejecting biblical principles and men in general.

AJ

 

Yes, misery and immorality love company.

AJ

 

I've just been a casual reader up until this point, but I just have to make an observation.

If you had sex with another man while still married to your husband, you have committed adultery.
If you had sex with anyone outside of the one you are married to, that is at the very least least fornication.
The Bible says that both are sin.

Until you realize and admit to God that this is sin, and stop trying to defend it, but repent of it, you will never see the blessings or peace of God in your life. God takes sin very seriously - so seriously that Jesus died on a cross to pay for it.

No, I am not condemning you. Most of the BB folks are not condemning you. But you do need to admit and repent of your sin. You need to stop justifying what God calls sin.

 

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.


1 Peter 3:1
Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives,

1 Timothy 2:12
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.


Genesis 3:16
To the woman He said:
“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”


Titus 2:3-5
the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

 

That just about sums it up. :thumbs:

 

I will only speak for myself.

I'm sure I have made many mistakes in my life, probably more than many of you.

Not to mention multiple sins, that I am not even aware of, in addition to those I am/was.

I just happen to personally, have never been divorced, although several members of the church I attend, have been, including my own late brother.

It turns out, in the providence of God, that if he had not been divorced, I probably would never have married. 'Nuff said, here. The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

Ed

 

Stupid double double post post!