Why Jesus Said "I never knew ye" to Professing Believers?

Shirley J · Feb 15, 2021

you have to remember all people are not believers and say they are, we all have an accountability of our own; no one else makes our choices, we have no one to blame but ourselves when we do wrong, the Holy Spirit I feel in my conscious all the time, I don't feel right, not saying I always make the right choices, but I keep trying, no one is perfect here but in Heaven we will be, thats so wonderful to me. When someone comes to prayer for salvation and is sincere, they will know it, there is no feeling, great lights, stars, etc. it is a quit peace in your soul. You know Jesus has wrapped His arms around you, you are safe in them, but within a week or two, you will be tried over and over, by satan, he will be after you to quit, and I think they forget to tell new Christians, to beware of satans war against you. They need to keep in prayer and constituently keep their eyes on Jesus, and try to not converse about their salvation to non believers, they will try to discourage you, this is what I feel, some by experience some not, but everyone has their own ways,,,

AustinC · Feb 15, 2021

Shirley J said: ↑

I believe this way: When I accepted Christ into my life, He let me become a child of God, He let me be an heir of God, He protects me and loves me the way I am, all the scriptures I read where no man can pluck us out of His hand, means not even I can, I'm His and I will be in His kingdom. Why would a believer deny Him, Peter did 3 times and repented, why wouldn't believers that did this awful thing not repent, the Holy Spirit lives within me, He would let me feel my mistake, God forbid me ever to deny Him, But I did think will I be able to not take the mark and let my kids starve, will that was answered also, Jesus is coming soon and us Christians will go with Him. This is my belief,
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It was more than "letting you." God chose you and gave you the inheritance he had established for you. God was not passively watching and deciding which doors he would unlock for you when you chose to turn the knob. God was actively moving you to your point of belief. He has good works ordained for you to do as his child (Ephesians 2:10). He is very much guiding and directing you as a Father who lovingly disciplines you (Hebrews 12). Rejoice in God's active work in your life.

kyredneck · Feb 15, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

" They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." ( Titus 1:16 ).
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Just like the first man ever born, Cain, who was of the evil one, who no doubt had great confidence in his offering to Jehovah.

Nothing new or hard to explain here.

kyredneck · Feb 15, 2021

canadyjd said: ↑

It is important to understand the self delusion of the people rejected by Christ.
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Bingo!

Van · Feb 15, 2021

Shirley J said: ↑

so all the scriptures that says you are sealed; no one can pluck out of is hand; you are a child of God' where did you read we can be no going into the rapture with Him, why would any believer deny Christ, that would leave believers with no hope if they couldn't repent of sins and wonder if they are a Christian,
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Hi Shirley, for some reason you have misunderstood what I said. Everyone living at the time of the rapture, if they have been saved, born anew, placed into Christ, will be raptured. 100%
I did not say believers do not need to make a commitment to repent, but I do say, as the thief on the cross, no follow-up actions on that commitment are needed. However, if God does not credit that commitment, and He knows our hearts, then that professing faith and commitment does not result in salvation.
Yes, we are to test ourselves at communion to see if we are "of the faith."

Whether we can agree on biblical doctrine is unknown (at least by me) but welcome to our discussion board, and may God bless you with enlightenment.

canadyjd · Feb 15, 2021

Shirley J said: ↑

so all the scriptures that says you are sealed; no one can pluck out of is hand; you are a child of God' where did you read we can be no going into the rapture with Him, why would any believer deny Christ, that would leave believers with no hope if they couldn't repent of sins and wonder if they are a Christian,
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Welcome to BB, Shirley J. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

peace to you

Yeshua1 · Feb 16, 2021

Hark said: ↑

Understand these verses for why Jesus would say that.

Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. KJV

Whenever a believer verbally denies Him, they will be denied. Whether they were threatened with death or a lie caused them to stop believing in Him, they will be denied by Him, but note verses 13 for the current state of former believers; He still abides !!!!

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. ~ KJV

So what is meant by "I never knew ye"? It was addressing the believers that works iniquity.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ~ KJV

If you consider that any work on that foundation as an iniquity that denies Him which defiles the temple of God ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ) ( as one of the works of the flesh is heresy * Galatians 5:19-21 ) then Christ will deny them because of that iniquity denying Him that is on that foundation.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. KJV

So saved believers can deny Him by their works & not just by denying Him verbally for why He would deny knowing them. That is why we are to seek the good of the lost by calling them to go to Jesus Christ for help to confess them before men in spite of the threat of death or to see the truth in His words in exposing the lies that turned them away from Him so they can depart from iniquity & be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House, rather than be left behind as denied, only to be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, but still in His House. Note scripture below.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. ~ KJV

So to avoid Him saying "I never knew ye, depart from me ye that work iniquity", saved believers should go to Him for help to depart from iniquity that deny Him so they can be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House rather than be denied by Him at the rapture to become damned as the vessel unto dishonor but still in His House.
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Those whom Jesus was speaking about were lost sinners, NEVER had been saved by Him!

Hark · Mar 2, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

I see from God's word that it is not up to evangelists to follow up and disciple God's children...
It is up to the Lord.
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Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. ~ KJV

Granted the burden is on the Lord to bring opportunities & cause the increase, but the church is supposed to disciple one another.

Unlike in the Old Testament where the pastors and teachers were being held responsible by God for the spiritual welfare of His people Israel, under the new covenant of His grace, all of His children are taught by God Himself ( Isaiah 54:13, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:7-13, John 6:45 )
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Sometimes excommunication is required when wayward brothers or sisters are refusing to repent for whatever the reason. A brother that had his father's wife per 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 was excommunicated but he did repent & Paul was notified and had discussed him being received again upon his repentance in his second epistle to the Corinthians as agreeing with them..

[/QUOTE]Their spiritual welfare as children is not and never was dependent upon anything outside of their loving Father and His care for them.
In other words, God uses His teachers and preachers to disciple them, so they will invariably be properly discipled no matter what.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes He intervenes directly as I have been blessed to receive.

In addition, God's people do not become offended and turn away...

Rather, the devil's children ( "tares" masquerading as "wheat" ), who were never God's to begin with, become offended and turn away.
It is happened to them as the true proverb...
The dog returns to the vomit, and the sow that was washed to its wallowing in the mire ( Proverbs 28:11, 2 Peter 2:22 )...
Proving that they were never born again.
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If referring to the parable of the sower, they had received the seed but were not fruitful as His disciples. It is the birds that took the seed away are the unbelievers as in the unsaved for they did not receive the seed as in Christ Jesus..

He that is of God hears God's words...He that is not, does not ( John 8:43-47 ).
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Believers are warned not to sow to the works of the flesh, because they can & will reap corruption, and be overthrown whereby they will be in a worst state as sinners before they were saved, but that does not mean they lost their salvation, but their first inheritance. That means they will not be raptured unless they repent with His help before the Bridegroom or death comes.

It seems to me that you are holding to man's will and not God's when it comes to who abides and who does not.
I clearly see that He creates the vessels ( Romans 9:22-24 ), we don't create ourselves.
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It is true that we are the works of His hands & not ours, however, His warnings are given to saved believers to not only be ready as His disciples ( Luke 12:40-49 ) but being willing to go ( Luke 21:34-36 ).

We as believers abide and bring forth good fruit because we are attached to the vine;
False believers do not because they never really were.
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Then explain the cutting off unless they were part of the vine in the first place as noted in verse 6 of. John 15:1-8

I have the Spirit for that Hark ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, 1 John 2:20-27 ), but I thank you for your advice.
This is my final reply to you in this thread.

I wish you well, sir.
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All I can do is hope in the Lord for you. Only He can intervene for you as He has done for me but I was unable to receive His reproofs later on in life only until 1997 only because I could not conceive the notion that the church had led me astray & not just the world & the infirmity in the flesh that nobody warned me about when I hit puberty. Out of all of that mess, He pulled me out of & I still have to rely on Him all the time in being My Friend in keeping me as His friend as my confidence & hope is in Him to do it. John 6:28-29

Hark · Mar 2, 2021

Shirley J said: ↑

I think if we belong to God now we always will be, but time is so short why worry about what man or woman think, we need to spread the word and let people know time is short, we are seeing prophecy even here now in our American home place, we listen to what man says, we do not have time to listen to man and God, God says get out and tell the people, says Jesus is coming soon, the rapture is mentioned lots of place in the bible. The word Rapture maybe not, but think what does rapture means, a calling away as Paul, said. We need to seek God's wisdom and quit tearing the bible apart, reading all the vs. in a chapter before we take out a few things, its very dangerous to people not to read Revelation, God will give you understanding if your serious about His Word, and He will point you to someone to help you with the understanding. But I feel what God wants from us now is to talk to everyone we can, write letters to past friends, ask them if God is in their lives and are they ready to go Home, I'll be 83 if I live to June, so I may go before Jesus comes back for us, but if so I'm ready to go Home no matter. I shudder to think I wasn't read years ago,God has had mercy on me
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Sometimes I have found that I need His help to wake up & discern what I am watching on TV as something I should not continue to watch. Evil communications corrupts good manners and so I need His help to be choosy on what I entertain myself with.

Squire Robertsson · Mar 15, 2021

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