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Why not sin?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    Jesus said "When He is come, He will convict the world of sin..."

    If He does not convict of sin, but lets it go, Jesus has lied.
     
  2. TCGreek

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    Dale-c, I see in Hebrew 4:12, 13 the constant conviction brought about by the Spirit through the Word:

    "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account" (Heb 4:12, 13, TNIV, emphasis mine).
     
  3. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    From God's sight. Not from ours.
    Do you not think that there is a possibility that you have (and I have) sin that we are not even aware of yet?
    God knows all. We do not.


     
  4. TCGreek

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    Here's David in another place:

    "Have mercy on me, O God,
    according to your unfailing love;
    according to your great compassion
    blot out my transgressions.
    2 Wash away all my iniquity
    and cleanse me from my sin.

    3 For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is always before me." Ps 51

    He knew that his transgressions and sins were before him. Always in fact.
     
  5. Allan

    Allan Active Member

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    I will respectfully disagree that David knew EVERY sin at ALL times. That isn't what the verse is saying, or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.. ??
     
  6. TCGreek

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    I don't even believe that myself. So, you're not alone. :laugh:
     
  7. Allan

    Allan Active Member

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    I went back to was trying to keep up.. I think I understand what you are saying (is this close)

    That we can know immediately any sin in us as we stay in prayer and the word.
    IOW - The closer we are to God and listening to Him, the more aware we are of our 'actaul' state before Him.


    If so.. I give a hearty AMEN! That'll preach!
     
  8. TCGreek

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    Allan, you got it. :thumbs:
     
  9. DHK

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    Apparently God knew we could sin and not know we were sinning:

    Leviticus 4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
     
  10. standingfirminChrist

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    The Leviticus verse does not say they will not know they have sinned, only that they can sin in ignorance.

    Once a Child of God sins, the chastening for that sin begins and lets him know he has sinned. God will not allow sin to go unpunished.
     
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  11. TCGreek

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    Now consider v. 27f (or even v. 13ff):

    27 " 'If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands, when they realize their guilt 28 and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect." (TNIV).

    There seems to be a point of realization of even an unintentional sin and an offering had to be made.
     
  12. TCGreek

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    Do you have Scripture for your position?
     
  13. standingfirminChrist

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    Yes, and you should too.
     
  14. webdog

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    That usually means to post it :rolleyes:
     
  15. DHK

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    When you think about the meaning of that verse, and the application that it has in today's society (barring the offering) we do it all the time.
    We are corrected or rebuked (sometimes even on this board). We don't realize at the time that we have sinned. It may have been a misunderstanding. But an offense was made. Sin is a transgression of the law. We transgress the law.
    When corrected we find out we were wrong, and need to confess the wrong, apologize, and confess it to God. "I have sinned, I was wrong." "I am sorry; I needlessly offended you," etc., etc. So many examples here. What a sermon I could develop out of this passage!
     
  16. guitarpreacher

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    I do sin all I want, and then some. I get drunk all I want, smoke all the dope I want, cheat on my wife all I want, pretty much all the sin I want, I have, and even more than I want.
     
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    So, every time you see an attractive lady, you cheat on your wife?
    Or are you saying you are above temptation?
     
  18. guitarpreacher

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    You gave the example of "why not get drunk all I want. The funny thing about this is that when I was a drinker, I could never get enough. If I opened a bottle of whiskey, I threw the cap away. Same with dope, I never was able to smoke all I wanted.

    Since I committed my life to Christ, I have no problem getting all I want because I don't want it anymore. I could never understand how someone could view the cross, understand the weight of the sacrifice that was made there, and desire to sin against that God and that Savior. If you can do that, there's something seriously wrong with your salvation experience and your relationship with Christ.

    Am I saying that I'm above temptation? Heavens no. That's where the "and more" part of my statement comes from. The thing is, and I think this is what Paul was saying in Romans 7, I can plan to avoid temptation, plan how to deal with it when it comes, see the temptation coming, despise the sin and hate my weakness all the time I'm giving in. I think I can very honestly say that I am so grateful to God for what he did for me and I love Him so much that I NEVER want to sin. The thought of sinning against God breaks my heart. Still, everyday I fail at being what I know I'm supposed to be.

    So, no, I don't cheat on my wife every time I see an attractive lady because I don't want to. Your question was why not do all you want. My reply is if you want to, you need to do a serious heart check.
     
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    I hope God has enabled me to do a serious heart check. I have determined that my heart is totally depraved. And that if I am saved, it will be by the grace of God.
     
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    Very thought out reply.. .thank you...

    I think EVERYONE can agree with you on this.
    If they can't, something is seriously wrong.
     
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