Why Obama wants to hide birth certificate

it has to have the state seal to be real, without it itsn't valid, you'd have to be nutty to accept one without a seal.
If I presented a birth certificate with no seal while trying to get a social security number they wouldn't accept it, If I tried to enroll my children in school with a birth certificate with no seal they wouldn't accept it. When my boys got their drivers license they had to have their birth certificate, no seal they wouldn't accept it. Everyone knows it isn't valid, and there you go, I just gave you 3 government agencies that will not accept a birth certificate with no seal as being valid. A birth certificate with no seal can only be rejected as invalid. By government standards.

 

My daughters doesn't have a doctors name so that must be an area option and not criteria of being valid.

As for blacking out the document number, would you post your birth certificate on line with out some safeguarding?

 

Not according to the election commission and the SCOTUS who refused to hear this case. Not sure where you got that criteria from but it seems to be a desired and not actual criteria. To be fair I went and looked at the constitution and don't see where it says a seal bearing copy of your birth certificate is necessary to be president. It seems we took the word of the other 43 presidents, not sure why we change the process on number 44 but I am glad the SCOTUS didn't agree.

 

Right wing extremists sided with England during the Revolutionary war. They were traitors to America.

 

It's necessary to be considered legal.

 

Yep....Tories were the right wingers of their day. It was those liberals who pushed ideals like no taxation without representation, and the equality of man. Very progressive ideas in their day.

 

Seems like they were more Anglican apologists than right-wingers. True conservatives do not want state-imposed religion. If the liberals supported the equality of man, and no taxation without representation, then they have certainly abandoned those ideals long ago.

 

If what you say is correct, why didn't the SCOTUS hear the case and why did the election commission take it as it was?

Is it possible you are wrong Donna?

 

Not sure why you would say this??? We have a representative government who taxes us. We are represented (except for DC).

 

so your under the impression that in each case I sited, that if you tried to use a birth certificate without a seal they will accept it anyway?
HAHA
no seal, means it is not legal. just ask your local school, the local dmv, call your local social security office and ask each one if they accept a birth certificate that has no state seal on it. Becasue here they certainly will not. I am positive of this, it's one of the requirements.
And yet, as I said already, each is a governement agency, the government itself requires the state seal on a birth certificte.
Could be you just don't care, they'll beleive anything to support obama.

 

What I am saying is there is a difference between "legal" and the criteria which a specific organization will accept. A school or DMV requiring a state seal doesn't make the state seal "legal", it means having it meets their requirements. One can set whatever requirement they choose. Years ago in the deep south when mid-wives were still common many people didn't have a BC. The first record of their birth was when the census was taken.

Understand Donna, I have all those things you mentioned and served in the military and I have no birth certificate. The hospital where I was born was destroyed by fire and there is no official record of my birth. Yes it has been a pain having to do sworn affidavits etc... but I have a passport, license, SSN and everything you mentioned. This means a birth certificate with seal is preferred but not mandatory and it makes nothing legal and lack thereof makes nothing illegal. It is criteria their require is all.

Obama has obviously met those requirements since he was sworn in as POTUS and the SCOTUS refused to hear the case. Trying to discredit our president really serves no good for the nation as a whole and is only a self-serving source of contention for those who oppose his victory. The bucket holds no water.

 

So...technically....LeBuick does not exist...

Well, that's a problem. Who on earth have I been arguing with for the last six months?????

 

The discussion of birth certificates and validity and discrediting America's leader is not the Holy Spirit. The history behind birth certificates is much more a tangled web than the readers of this forum have.

Recently, my wife's uncle passed away... a distinguished Korean War veteran. When we reviewed his DD 214 and his birth certificate from Alabama, the midwife who worked for the City of Montgomery wrote only initials for her uncle's first name, middle name...(He was Black)

On my own father's birth certificate, his middle name was mispelled but the midwife gave him a different date of birth...(these practices were very common with Black families).

The issue here is we want to see the long form versus the short form. The long form will tell us more information...

Christians who are nitpicking over such a trivial issue show us volumns about your true character.

When I read the many comments, what many of you really are saying in your labels, despite the fact you have a president who is the country's appointed leader you would choose to sin, and cast judgments. I ask each of you to look at yourselves and judge your righteousness for this may be your sin that will keep you out of Heaven. Doesn't God's Word detail our role as citizens with appointed leaders? Just a thought...

 

I agree, when the courts got done I accepted both of Bush' victories as valid.

I didn't vote for Bush the second time because of the Iraq war but he was still my president and always had my support for the things I could agree with him on. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt on the things I didn't agree with.

 

It is important to recognize that in LeBuick and SonoftheLivingGod's experience.... what they have is corraborating evidence. Even a hospital that burns with its records in it, is an event which is backed up somewhere on record..... as are likely other specifics which could be uncovered and proven ....school records, baptismal records, health and vaccination records, records regarding parents or extended family members, census records.

Obama, no doubt, has some of these.
But he also has a background which creates an issue of question regarding his citizenship and he has done nothing to dispell the question of confidence which some have because instead of producing proof, he has exercised every legal block and expense at blocking the production of proof.

His Kenyan grandmother reports being present at his birth:
A government official or diplomate is reported to have confirmed plans to memmorialize his birth place....before he recanted...after it was brought to his attention that Obama couldn't legally be US President and Kenyan born.
If born outside the US, then Obama would have to have citizenship confered on him through a US Citizen Parent who qualified in respect of age and US residency as existed in the laws at the time of his birth... and his mother did not qualify as to years or age to confer her citizenship upon her child.
If born in Hawaii, then there should be no problem obtaining a copy of the long form birth certificate which details location and doctor/attendees witness to birth.
During his youth, he was 'adopted' and enrolled as a citizen of muslim faith in Indonesia: To return to live with his grandparents required his passport from Indonesia....... What did it say as to citizenship?
When he first entered college..... how was it funded and were provisions made because he was 'recognized' as a 'foreign student' or as a US citizen?
As difficult as it is to enter any Ivy League School, even for those excelling acdemically, was he admitted with special privilege which stretched beyond the reasoning of people (like myself) who consider that 'affirmative action' might have played a part?
When between semesters, he took a trip as a young man..... to Pakistan I think, how was it that he obtained a passport when our country was restricting passports for travel there?

No! These questions have nothing to do with the holy spirit or spiritual matters...... but they do have something to do with what the laws of our country says qualifies to run for President, and the reasoning which follows with more questions than answers when the person who has the answers blocks by withholding information, .......some of which even his own autobiographies raise by what little they do reveal.

Personally, I believe that an honest man who deserves my confidence would produce the evidence proudly and would not try to shame me for asking. Personally, I believe a man who has something to hide or who is uncertain of what it might reveal and its impact on his influence and power, has every reason..... most of which are selfish, to block the information requested, and to try to shame those who merely request transparent honesty: Most especially from one who purports to 'embody' this as his own goal.

 

windcatcher sez:

IOW, the "O" supporters are asking the rest of us to accept his word with the same faith that we accept God's word when we can't fully comprehend it.

Well, this old balding septuagenarian ain't 'bout to place that same degree of trust in any, least of all this, mortal. 70 + rounds of circling the sun on this blue orb have made me a tad skeptical of anyone who climbs a tree to announce his "openness" when he could stay on the ground and demonstrate it.

You libs can kiss his feet all you want - Me, I'll remain skeptical until evidence (not emotion) gives me reason to think otherwise!

Enjoy your fantasy while you can, for the time is coming when ---!!