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Featured Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed

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  1. cgaviria

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    This study explains why although the Law of Moses has not been abolished, nor can any command therein be disobeyed, certain commands are no longer observed, such as circumcision, festivals, sabbaths, and abstaining from certain foods. The study can be found in English here Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here Por Qué la Ley No es Abolida, Sin Embargo la Circuncisión, Festivales, Sacrificios, Sábados, Alimentos Ya No Se Observan | Sabiduria de Dios . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.
     
  2. Jason1

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    The Torah is established and not one jot or tittle has passed away (matt 5).

    Sabbath on the 7th day should be observed by true believers. Switching it to sunday is the mark of a heretical catholic church and its daughters. (disobedience)

    Everybody should follow the clean/unclean list in Lev 11 for their own health and for obedience sake.

    Circumcision is still widely practiced by true believers, but may not be necessary until entering the land and eating passover.

    Feasts can't be celebrated without a temple or priesthood, but they could be remembered and practiced in lieu of pagan holidays of easter, xmas, etc.
     
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    Tell me, do you observe the sabbath as is mandated by the law? Do you stay home, and not turn on the lights? Do you not drive your car on the sabbath? I surely hope not, because if you are going to keep the sabbath, then it must be kept as is mandated by the law, and not according to your own tradition.
     
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    The Sabbath predates the Jewish law and was given to all of creation in Gen 2:3. Isaiah prophecies about the Sabbath post the coming of the Messiah suggesting God is not finished with it yet.

    Perhaps we get modern church meetings and the Sabbath confused, the early church met daily, we in general meet once a week and regard it as keeping the Sabbath because we went to church..
     
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    Question. Is the book of Galatians in your Bible?
     
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    Another lame attempt by Seventh-day Adventists.
    (1) If not one jot or title of the law can be changed until all is fulfilled (Mt 5e:17-19), then you have no biblical authority to change one jot or title in your way of interpretation. That means all of the Law is still in full effect.
    (2) The creation sabbath was endless until Adam sinned; that is why it was not bordered with an evening and a morning. Explain that. After sin entered, GOD CHANGED THE SABBATH to a weekly day of rest only for Israel in Exodus 16. Deny that if you can.
    (3) Exodus 31:13-17 says that the weekly sabbath was a SIGN of God's Old Covenant with Israel. It cannot at the same time be for all nations and be a unique sing to Israel.
    (4) Although Catholics claim to have changed the Sabbath, GOD CHANGED IT when He ended all holy days in Galatians 4;10-11 and Col 2:16-17 ---- notice the sequence --- monthly, weekly, seasonal, yearly.
     
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    ISAIAH 66: By teaching that Isaiah 66:23 proves that the weekly Sabbath will be kept throughout eternity, Seventh-day Adventists err by not teaching the same about the new moon Sabbaths. They ignore the context of Isaiah 66.


    66:1-3 destroys the SDA doctrine that God lives in a literal temple patterned after that given to Moses for Israel.

    6:10-14 destroys the SDA doctrine that literal Israel and Jerusalem are no longer involved in future prophecy and special God's love.

    6:17 refers to unsaved persons attempting to save (sanctify) themselves using methods opposite to that what God teaches.

    6:19-21 prophesizes a final gathering of all nations to Jerusalem which is totally ignored in SDA prophecy.

    6:22 describes the literal Messianic reign of Christ on earth in terms of "new heavens and the new earth." This is more of a problem text for SDAs than others because they deny a literal Messianic reign of Christ on earth.

    6:23 means "every day of the month" and "every day of the week" -- from one month to another; from one week to the next. If (as SDAs insist) 6:23 proves that the weekly Sabbath will be observed throughout eternity, it proves too much because it would also prove that the monthly Sabbath will be also (and SDAs do not teach that).

    6:24 disproves the SDA doctrine of annihilation. It also places the events of Isaiah 66 during the Messianic reign on earth (the Millennium) and not following Revelation 21:4.

    Rev 21:25 suggests that there will be no days and nights in the new Jerusalem --therefore no divisions of days


    SDAs quote none of the texts surrounding 66:23 because their own theology denies both a literal restoration of Israel in the last days and/or any attempt to reconcile the texts in their own eschatological context. While quoting it to convince others, none of it makes sense in their own eschatology. The Sabbath Has Benn Changed Many Times
     
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    Then I suppose that the Holy Spirit was wrong when He instructed the apostle Paul to pen Galatians, Ephesians and Colossians. I suppose He was also wrong when He inspired the writer of the Hebrew epistle.

    Those that are attempting to be justified by the Law have fallen from grace (Gal. 5:1-4).
     
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    I observe His sabbaths. We stay home or go to home fellowship.

    Not turning on the lights is oral tradition - there is no need to follow precepts of men. The Jews have over 1000 laws in regard to sabbath while scripture has only 7. It is easy to keep.
     
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    1. Yes the law is still in effect
    2. All laws are only for Israel. They are the ones in covenant with Him.
    3. Yes, it is a sign of true believers. Either you join yourself to His people (Israel) or you remain outside of covenant
    4. That is totally in error and wrong.
     
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    People don't understand the topic of galations. It is all about oral law and how the jews thought they were justified by keeping it. Only written law (words of the Creator) can save you.

    You are justified by obedience to the Creator. Otherwise, you really don't believe in Him.
     
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    The law states,

    Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day." (Exodus 35:3 [NIV])

    Turning on the lights is as lighting a fire.
     
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    Let put that verse in a better translation:

    Exo 35:3 “Do not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

    This is not pertaining to turning on a light, but the act of starting a fire by gathering wood. Some even point that this is most likely even the act of starting a fire for the purpose of work production. The Creator wouldn't want people to freeze to death, so keeping a fire would make the most sense. What is being asked is that all of the work in doing so be done ahead of time most likely which was quite laborious.
     
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    It says do not light a fire, whether you gathered wood (also a violation of the Sabbath) or already had wood in the house. This was the manner required by God to observe the Sabbath, so if you're going to observe the sabbath, observe it exactly as mandated by the law. Yet we who know the truth know that the command to observe the sabbath is a foreshadow of the millennial sabbath, and we are not burdened to observe the weekly sabbath in this manner, which is why even the disciples picked up grain in violation of the sabbath, and were still innocent.
     
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    Then I suppose that the Holy Spirit was wrong when He inspired Paul to write Colossians 2? Read also Ephesians 2, Hebrews 8, 9 & 10.

    "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."-James 2:10

    If one keeps part of it, they are required to keep all of it. Jesus' death fulfilled the entire law.
     
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    If you reread Colossians 2, you will see the subject of the chapter is "Traditions of men". A totally different topic.

    Ephesians 2 talks about engrafting and that by belief. Belief and obedience always go hand in hand.

    Hebrews actually validates keeping torah (especially chapter 10)

    Paul wasn't talking about doing away with torah by any means. Jesus did fill the law full of meaning (hebrew idiom) and scripture says we should walk as he walked. Perfect obedience to every word proceeding out of the mouth of the Father. Isn't that beautiful?
     
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    JB: Keeping the sabbath on a Saturday in Israel being the seventh day I believe is legitimate. However, the rest of society moves to a different calendar and its 7th day is Sunday. So you see, one can keep the sabbath day no problems at all. Both being the 7th day for each calendar. :)
     
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    The Old Testament law was done away at the death of Christ. "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the notions of sin, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we are held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7.4-6) Not only did Jesus die to abolish the enmity between Jews and Gentiles, he abolished in his flesh even the law of commandments contained in ordinances to reconcile us unto God by the cross. (Ephesians 2.14-16.)
    If we are living under the Old Testament Law, why is it that there are so many priests who are not from the tribe of Levi? The Old Testament declared that the Levites formed the priesthood. "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7.12.) "He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second."(Hebrews 10.9.)
     
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