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Why The Second Amendment?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by TCassidy, Oct 8, 2017.

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  1. TCassidy

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    Yes, all those women and children were horrible killers.
     
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    Tom, IIRC, Indians did not gain 14th Amendment citizen status until the 1920s.
     
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    What in the world is the matter with you.
     
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    It is indeed reality. You going to blame American slavery on the fact that tribal wars in Africa were the root of the slave trade? This is just typical pc Crap. Blame the Indian for everything involving the white man and blame the white man for everything involving the black man. The American Indian did not ask Europeans to come here. We did not ask them to butcher us. We did not ask them to bring disease to us that wiped us out. I sure don't need you to tell me how they did us a huge favor by coming here.
     
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    All gained it then. It was kind of mixed application prior to that. Another thing that annoys me about this nation, universally blacks were citizens over 50 years before Indians.
    My lineage is weird. The thread of white blood that runs through it goes all the way back to the first Royal Governor of Georgia.
     
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    Did/do the Indians want American citizenship.

    A few years ago, the Iroquois wanted to go overseas to play in a LaCrosse playoff tournament.
    However they refused to use American passports - and demanded to use their own, but
    the hand written passports would not be accepted by Europe.
     
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    My remark was made in reply to Tom's that the Indians at Wounded Knee had their Second Amendment Rights as citizens violated. That is a different situation than the Iroquois a hundred plus years later.
     
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    Honestly today almost all of the members who still live on the reservation want the best of both worlds. They want to be independent when it benefits them, but they sure are not going to give up all that Federal money they get. The Indians on the reservation have been reduced to welfare dependent, defeated, pitiful people. I associate with many tribesmen who left the reservation, but I don't like the mentality or mindset of most of those that remain there. I have nothing in common with them.
     
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    no one including me blamed anything on the black man or the indian.
     
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    oh well you singled out women and children so i guess you win.
     
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    They didn't have any hunting lands. They refused to own land.
     
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    They refused to individually own it. They communally owned it within the tribe.
     
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    Used communally not owned communally
     
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    That is correct, but that status was retroactive. And the Constitution applies to all who are on US soil and subject to US law (IE not having diplomatic immunity), not just to citizens.
     
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    Did you read what I posted?

    "200 of the 297 victims were women and children."
     
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    Regretfully, the government forces at Wounded Knee didn't take your position.
     
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    Yes there were some horrible whitemen. I am not talking about a single event.
     
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    Yes, that view was in the minority until around 1924. But in this case, as we see so often, the majority was wrong. :)
     
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    This was the basis for the fight between cattlemen and farmers in the West. The cattlemen wanted a free range to graze their herd while the farmers wanted to fence it in to protect their crops. So you're arguing that cattlemen had no right to use that land? Farmers would have been justified in attacking and killing them?
     
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