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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Sep 3, 2016.

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  1. InTheLight

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    Because the GOP would have been united behind any of these guys, unlike Trump.

    Because they would have real, professional, experienced campaign personnel working the campaign instead of Trump's "pick of the month" campaign directors.

    Because they are experienced campaigners that know that a ground game is essential to winning the presidency, and they would not rely on rallies and Twitter posts. For example, Clinton has 34 campaign offices in the absolutely essential swing state of Florida; Trump has 1. ONE! (In 2012 Romney had 48 field offices in Florida; Pennsylvania: Romney 25, Trump 2; Ohio: Romney: 40, Trump 16, etc.)
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/trump-campaign-has-ground-game-problem/
    http://www.fairvote.org/tracking-presidential-campaign-field-operations

    Because they would stay on message and not get distracted by trivial issues. This week? Hillary is getting destroyed by FBI reports about multiple phones and tablets with classified materials on them while Trump attacks Arizona senator Jeff Flake.

    Because they would have raised far more money than Trump has done and would have actually spent it in swing states.

    Because polls showed Rubio, Kasich, and Cruz leading Hillary in head-to-head matchups the polls during the primary season.

    So tell us why Trump will win?

    Standing up for Biblical standards is not sulking in a corner.


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    You'll never get an answer for this. Trump has already said he could shoot someone dead in Times Square and not lose votes.

    Yep. These are the same evangelicals that excoriated Bill Clinton for his moral flaws 20 years ago and now hold hands and pray for Trump with his same moral flaws.



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    Not voting for Trump is not helping Hillary. Just as not voting for Hillary is not helping Trump. Your premise is a non-starter.

    Nothing to discuss here.



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    He is not a hog he is a person. Hogs don't have thumbs so they can't type on the computer. Also, going with the argument that he is a hog I don't think hogs can sing.
     
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    Where is your data refuting that article? Are you going to ignore the article because it doesn't fit your narrative? That is what liberals do.
     
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    Your point discredited itself as it was silly and ridiculous. If you do not want your posts exposed as silly or ridiculous do not make such posts. I am no Trump fan but there are a couple of people on this board who seem to be irrational when it comes to Trump. There is plenty to criticism without having to go to such lengths.

    Silly:

    having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish.

    Ridiculous:

    extremely silly or unreasonable
     
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    Thanks for proving my point for me. That was very kind and I appreciate you taking the time to define what Silly and Ridiculous mean so everyone can decide if the point is to be insulting or not. :)

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    The next President of the United States will either be the Democrat Hillary Clinton or the Republican Donald Trump. No third party candidates have any chance at all of being elected.

    From our own Dr. Bob.

    Robert E Griffin

    VOTE FOR THE PARTY MORE THAN THE INDIVIDUAL

    Labor Day "kicks off" the two-month final lap in the Presidential race. Many decisions are made at the president’s desk, but the major political party to which he or she belongs wields significant power over which domestic and international policies are advanced and what becomes law. Here is a summary of the Democratic and Republican party positions on some of the vital issues facing the country (courtesy of BGEA). This allows the voter to stand with the Party/Agenda not just liking/disliking any candidate.

    SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE

    Democratic
    Democrats seek to repeal the 1976 Hyde Amendment so that federal funds can be used to pay for abortions. The platform says, “We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers.” Democrats support ratification of UN efforts that affirm “the reproductive rights of women” globally.

    Republican
    The GOP asserts the sanctity of human life and affirms, “The unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed.” The party supports a Human Life Amendment making clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth, and it salutes states that require informed consent, parental consent, waiting periods and clinic regulation.

    MARRIAGE

    Democratic
    Democrats applaud last year’s Supreme Court ruling that “LGBT people—like other Americans—have the right to marry the person they love.”

    Republican
    The GOP platform condemns the Supreme Court’s rulings that removed the ability of Congress and the people to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The GOP urges the reversal of those decisions, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment.

    RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

    Democratic
    The Democratic platform says: “We support a progressive vision of religious freedom that respects pluralism and rejects the misuse of religion to discriminate.” The party opposes a religious test to bar immigrants or refugees from entering the country.

    Republican
    Republicans affirm that religious freedom in the Bill of Rights protects the right of the people to practice their faith in their everyday lives. The platform endorses the First Amendment Defense Act, which would protect faith-based institutions and individuals from government discrimination.

    FEDERAL JUDGES

    Democratic
    The platform says: “We will appoint judges who defend the constitutional principles of liberty and equality for all, and will protect a woman’s right to safe and legal abortion.”
    Republican

    The GOP platform states: “A critical threat to our country’s constitutional order is an activist judiciary that usurps powers properly reserved to the people through other branches of government.” The GOP supports the appointment of justices and judges who respect the constitutional limits on their power and respect the authority of the states.

    NATIONAL DEFENSE

    Democratic
    The Democratic platform says that while the military is crucial, decreased military spending is necessary. The party also favors reducing excessive spending on nuclear weapons. The platform notes that it is “proud of the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the opening of combat positions to women.”

    Republican
    The Republican platform favors building and maintaining a strong military as the path to peace and security. The party seeks to restore the nation’s military might and to rebuild troop numbers. The GOP would abandon treaties that benefit adversaries and would modernize the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

    TERRORISM

    Democratic
    The Democratic platform uses firm language to say we “must defeat” global terrorism, though noting a preference for “diplomacy and development, to confront global threats and ensure war is a last resort.” The party favors improving international intelligence capabilities to defend against external and homegrown threats.

    Republican
    The GOP asserts that the Iran deal does not have treaty status and has only emboldened the regime in Tehran in sponsoring terrorism. The platform says, “We must stand up for our friends, challenge our foes, and destroy ISIS.” It calls for governmental aid to Christian communities under genocidal attack in cities like Erbil.

    HUMAN RIGHTS

    Democratic
    The Democratic platform recognizes gay rights as a human right, and party leaders have tied international development funds in poor countries to adherence to the LGBT agenda. According to the platform, “We will continue to stand with LGBT people around the world, including fighting efforts by any nation to infringe on LGBT rights or ignore abuse.”

    Republican
    The GOP platform states: “To those who stand in the darkness of tyranny, America has always been a beacon of hope, and so it must remain.” The party seeks a radical rethinking of our human rights diplomacy, adopting a “whole of government” approach in which human rights issues are integrated at every appropriate level of our relationships with other nations.

    IMMIGRATION

    Democratic
    The party platform denounces Donald Trump’s suggested ban on immigrants from countries (mostly Muslim) known to train and equip terrorists.

    Republican
    Republicans oppose any form of amnesty for those who have entered illegally. The party supports building a border wall and refusing entrance to refugees who cannot be carefully vetted, especially those whose homelands have “been the breeding grounds for terrorism.”

    INTERNET SAFETY/DECENCY

    Democratic
    The platform supports “a free and open internet at home and abroad.” The party would seek to strengthen cybersecurity while “protecting the privacy and civil liberties of the American people.”

    Republican
    The platform states: “The internet must not become a safe haven for predators. Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions.”

    POVERTY

    Democratic
    Democrats will “direct more federal resources to lifting up communities that have been left out and left behind.” The party would build more affordable rental housing units and seek to “create good-paying jobs and enhance opportunities by investing in small business, youth employment, and reentry programs for formerly incarcerated people.”

    Republican
    The GOP says that instead of government handouts that keep people dependent, “We propose … the dynamic compassion of work requirements in a growing economy, where opportunity takes the place of a hand-out, where true self-esteem can grow from the satisfaction of a job well done.”

    LAW AND ORDER

    Democratic
    The Democratic platform seeks to abolish the death penalty, “which has proven to be a cruel and unusual form of punishment. It has no place in the United States of America.” The party would reform mandatory minimum sentences, close private prisons, end racial profiling and train officers in de-escalation.

    Republican
    The GOP decries the creation of new “crimes” by unelected civil servants and political appointees and sees this as federal overreach. The platform emphasizes restorative justice, including guidance by faith-based institutions. It notes that the death penalty is firmly settled by the Fifth Amendment and opposes efforts to erode this right.

    ISRAEL

    Democratic
    The platform states: “We will always support Israel’s right to defend itself, including by retaining its qualitative military edge, and oppose any effort to delegitimize Israel. … While Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations, it should remain the capital of Israel, an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.”

    Republican
    Republicans express “unequivocal support for Israel,” pointing out that it is the only Middle Eastern country with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. The GOP recognizes “Jerusalem as the eternal and indivisible capital of the Jewish state.” The party opposes the U.N.’s treatment of Israel as a pariah state.

    So, which person, party, and platform do you want in the White House? The choice is, literally, yours.
     
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    Uh no not voting for the party while ignoring the character of the person. Situational ethics have no place in a Christians life.
     
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    You didn't answer the question...because you can't. You have no idea how many of them voted for Trump.

    Same goes for almost all states. The truth is you have no idea how many democrats voted for Trump and neither does your source.
     
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    She's just tryiong to deflect from the lack of research she put into he source. Regardless of her denials, she is not stupid. If she had checked her source and their numbers, she would never had posted such a ridiculous number.
     
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    :Roflmao

    You're not just not voting for Trump. you are actively campaigning against him to anybody that will listen.
    That's the denial. You can't even be honest with yourself.
     
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    So I rose to your challenge and answered your question and you still say I can't. Now again very telling on your part :)
    Thank you for admitting I'm not stupid.
     
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    Until she proves her data, there is no need. And she can't. It's total guesswork.
     
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    And there is the false self righteousness. Knew it was coming.;)
     
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    Come on now. That is over the top.
     
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    You rose to nothing. You didn't answer that simple little question abouy one state...and neither can your "source".

    Your "Source " and the numbers you are putting out there are total junk. No basis in fact at all. Just ideological guess work by another rat.
     
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    AMEN!

    Not only that, but Trump's personal beliefs are at odds with the GOP platform.

    Also, it is a rare thing that a party platform gets turned into actual policy.
     
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    I'll stick with my own research thank you very much, since you have done nothing to actually dispute the data. It's funny to me, there have been ample opportunities for Trump supporters to actually defend Trump on this board and with one exception, none have actually tried. They either attack Hilary, or they attack Rats as you call them.
     
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    Do you oppose abortion? By your definition you are being self-righteous.
    Do you oppose gay marriage? By your definition you are being self-righteous
    Do you oppose divorce, remarriage, divorce, remarriage by the same person? Self-righteous.
     
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