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Why weren't we told the truth about 9/11?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Jan 23, 2009.

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  1. JustChristian

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    Somehow this just isn't an acceptable answer to me. Being involved in 9/11 isn't on bin Laden's Most Wanted poster because we haven't filed criminal charges against him? We don't need to? It's obvious? Come on, does this make sense?

    An horrific incident like the 9/11 attacks doesn't result in criminal charges against the man our government says was behind it all? Something else is obviously going on here. I don't know what but is this consistent with the way we treat criminal acts in the U.S.?

    Actually, you missed the last paragraph of the article.

    "The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice," the FBI says in a note accompanying the terrorist list on its Web site. "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."


    This says to me that bin Laden has never been indicted for anything related to 9/11. That supports my concern. If we could prove his guilt, why wouldn't we have indicted the No. 1 person on the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list and the man that caused us to invade Afghanistan and Iraq? This is really strange to me. It's stranger than not indicting a serial killer like Ted Bundy who "only murdered a handful of people."

    I wonder what the "various investigations" cited in this article alludes to? It's been almost 3 years since this article was written. I wonder what the status of these unknown investigations is at present.
     
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    Your President said he was going after Bin Laden. I suppose he is in on this mythical conspiracy.
     
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    Do you think it's strange that bin Laden has never been indicted for 9/11? Yes or no.
     
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    No. Your President is going after Bin Laden. Do you find that strange or just a lack of judgment?
     
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    Actually, no I didn't. That paragraph is quoted from the website.

    Again, the lawyers state that this is an acceptable practice, to ensure that nothing "slips through the cracks" legally. Figure it like this: being the head figure of Al Qaeda, bin Laden may not have had a direct hand in the 9/11 event; so if we charge him with direct involvement, it would fall down legally. The indictment may later read something about "conspiracy to commit," or some such. We're still hunting him (if he isn't already dead). I'm good with that.

    If there's evidence that bin Laden did not have anything to do with 9/11, and that we went into Afghanistan and then Iraq specifically for him (which we didn't; we went after Al Qaeda, of which bin Laden is the head figure) ... then your suspicions might have merit. As it is, all you're doing is wasting electrons.
     
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    You're claiming that we should assume someone is guilty without any evidence. Our constitution says just the opposite. How do you know that bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11?

    Remember when George Bush said that he's not that interested in capturing bin Laden any more? Well, he wasn't kidding. The CIA unit dedicated to tracking down al Quaeda was shut down in 2006.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html

    CIA Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden

    By MARK MAZZETTI

    WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

    The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.
    The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."
     
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    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/05/nation/na-ksm5

    During the trial of Moussaoui, interrogation records showed the "architect of 9/11" stated that bin Laden had knowledge, and was giving orders regarding 9/11.

    So we have evidence (some might argue that statements obtained during interrogations are questionable; however, read the article and the tone in which Mohammed is described as "gloating" over his achievement) that bin Laden knew and was involved; and, being the "head" of Al Qaeda, therefore takes ultimate responsibility.

    So why hasn't the FBI charged him? Ask them.
     
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    I have to assume that they would charge him if they had the evidence. Personally, I don't believe anything Moussaoui said. Maybe the FBI didn't either.

    On the other topic I introduced, why is the CIA no longer going after bin Laden?
     
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    Do you agree with the Rosie O'Donnell who insisted fire couldn't melt steel?
     
  10. JustChristian

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    Are you saying all of these eyewitnesses to 9/11 were lying (minutes or hours after the attack).

    I don't know or care what Rosie says. What does she know about structural engineering. I do know that the WTC towers were built to withstand being hit by airplanes as big as those that hit them on 9/11. I also know that the first steel framed skyscrapers to EVER collapse due to a fire were:

    1) WTC 1,

    2) WTC 2, and

    3) WTC 7.

    Those all came down on 9/11 and none have collapsed since then due to fire. A skyscraper in Spain burned with a much more intense fire for 23 hours and didn't collapse. No, I do not believe that the WTC towers came down because of the airplane impact and subsequent fire.

    Why was no one allowed to investigate the structural steel before it was rapidly spirited away overseas? Because an investigation would have shown evidence of the explosives that really brought the buildings down.
     
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    Ummm - your facts are quite wrong. But most conspiracy theorists' are.
     
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    :BangHead:

    How did the fire burn wiith such an intensity as to melt steel? Not a whole lot of structural fires are given JET FUEL as an accelerant. AND decades of asbestos removal, floor by floor, left the steel girders unprotected with ANYTHING.

    Anybody seen FarenHYPE 911? Its Dick Morris' rebuttal to the nonsense spewed by Moore in his "documentary".

    Including why Bush wasn't "rushed from the room," and "The T.V. Reporter, who never saw a plane hit the Pentagon."

    A. Staffers, as calmly as possible, ended Bush's school visit when there was a logical break. Since yelling, drawing weapons, and dragging the Prez from the room under kevlar body shields might (just maybe) traumatize some in the room, and cause panic among the T.V. viewers, they chose the quieter method.

    B. The reporter who claimed there was "no plane which hit the pentagon." Says that is a flat-out lie... he never said it. He even shows the entire, **UNEDITED** tape of his report and proves he never said it. Instead, moments of his report were taken out of context and cleverly spliced together again, with images of the devastation laid over the cuts to conceal them, in order to prey on certain impressionable people's wilder fancies.

    I, personally, don't give a rat's patoot what Bin Laden's wanted poster says... the evil jerk says, himself, he did it and that's good enough for me.

    Furthermore... I think the creation of such disgusting stories as these "theories" is demeaning to the memory of the dead killed in such evil acts, and an insult to the people who are now hunting them (the perpetrators) down.

    Now welcome me to the site! :tongue3:
     
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    Welcome to the site !!!!!!! :wavey:


    Excellent first post.
     
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    AMEN!!

    Welcome to BB!!! So far, so good! LOL!
     
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    Thank you, thank you... I'm glad to be here. Excellent forum so far, but this thread is, as yet, the only one which got me riled enough to post...

    I'm kinda shy :eek:
     
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    Not at all. They could be delusional, high, stoned, stupid, or suffer from an unnatural need for attention.

    Then why quote her material?

    If you believe what you're posting, then you both are on equal footing when it comes to structural engineering.

    Give me one instance of a structural test in which this exact scenario ocurred. They couldn't know if it would withstand it. It had never had to.

    Then congratulations on your complete break with rational thought.

    Let me guess. Bush did it. :rolleyes:

    Yeah, yeah...and a plane has never landed safely in the Hudson River, so it can't be done. :laugh:

    Simply amazing that (1) you know all the details; and (2) they didn't get your permission.

    This is your silliest post ever.
     
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    Steel will burn quite well too.
     
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    Now you're just speculating. What makes you a bigger authority than anyone else? It wasn't Moussaoui who said anything about bin Laden or 9/11; it was Mohammed, who was the planner behind it. Who was also challenging bin Laden for control of Al Qaeda. Who was gloating about how successful his plan was, and was derogatory about how bin Laden kept messing it up. And he wasn't the only testimony that implicated bin Laden having knowledge of the event well before it happened.

    So really, who cares what you believe?

    You've got questions, but you have no evidence to support your questions. Just about all of your original premises and websites have been countered with opposite views. Find some actual evidence, instead of conjecture, speculation, and "I believe" crapola, and convince us that something more needs to be done.

    You'll pardon me, but with this post, I believe you've ended the topic.
     
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    I didn't say I was THE authority. I simply stated my opinion. Do you always get so nasty when someone challenges one of your cherished beliefs? You guys always ask me for evidence. How about simply proving that the terrorists identified by the government as the hijackers of the aircraft actually were the ones involved. That should be an easy one, right?
     
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    No it is not strange! In fact it would have been stupid, the sort of thing the liberals would love, the sort of thing that Clinton did after the 1st Trade center bombing.

    Did we indict the Japanese Emperor after Pearl Harbor. No we went to war against the perpetrators just as we did after the Trade Center bombings.

    You are cleverly devious JC. You start a thread that initially appears innocous to encourage participation and then you introduce your hair brained conspiracy theories. But what can we expect from radical leftists.
     
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