Will the Lake of Fire Ever Go Out?

Do you think that after God has judged all of mankind, and He has cast them all into the lake of fire, that the fire will ever go out?

 

Could be, but probably not, since the Spirit goes back to God who gave it when a man dies. Oh, that is the same spirit btw that animates animals as well. Just a thought.

 

Seems? You assume too much.

You have that backwards. An animal has a body and spirit, but is not A living soul.

The Spirit that is in man, is the life force given by God. It is what animates us. It is the breath of life.

The word Spirit in most passages about men is ruawach, lets look at the defonition:

07307 ruwach {roo'-akh}
AV - Spirit or spirit 232, wind 92, breath 27, side 6, mind 5, blast 4, vain 2, air 1, anger 1, cool 1, courage 1, misc 6; 378
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit 1a) breath 1b) wind 1b1) of heaven 1b2) quarter (of wind), side 1b3) breath of air 1b4) air, gas 1b5) vain, empty thing 1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation) 1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour 1c2) courage 1c3) temper, anger 1c4) impatience, patience 1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented) 1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse 1c7) prophetic spirit 1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals) 1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, 1e1) desire 1e2) sorrow, trouble 1f) spirit 1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts 1f2) rarely of the will 1f3) as seat especially of moral character 1g) Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son 1g1) as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy 1g2) as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning 1g3) imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power 1g4) as endowing men with various gifts 1g5) as energy of life 1g6) as manifest in the Shekinah glory 1g7) never referred to as a depersonalised force

Can animals be possessed by demons?

Since the answer is yes, it must be that they have a place where the demon can go. Just like people.

No I do not belive in evolution. What does that have to do with this?

The Spirit of God will not always strive with man. At some point it leaves. When that happens, the person dies. The dust returns to the earth, and the 'ruwach' goes back to God who gave it. It is the 'seat' of emotion and intellect in the human. It is not a ghost that can float around with your personality in it.

I think you are stretching your perception a little far when you say that I have nothing to live for because I don't think I have a 'ghost' in me. That is what you meant. I know that I have Spirit in me, but I am not immortal, and there is not a ghost inside of me that is immortal, and that can float away at the time of death. That is pagan.

DO you not believe that you will see Christ in your flesh?

 

Thank you for clearing that up.

I am in complete agreement.

To someone who dies, that is exactly how it will be, because they will die, and sleep throughout the time it takes for the resurrection. When the resurrection takes place that will be the VERY next conscious thought they have after death.

I think you know what I meant by 'ghost' being different from 'Spirit' as in God's Spirit. Ghost like on Ghostbusters.

I think you just added a whole bunch of stuff to that passage that is not there! That passage is about justification by faith in Christ. It doesn't say you will go to heaven right after you die! Did Jesus go to heaven right after He died? NOPE. So we are going to do the same thing He did, sleep in the grave until we are resurrected.

So now you are saying that the LOST are immortal too? Ok, back up, show SCRIPTURE for that. How can I twist those words? Where have I twisted those words? Are you asking me to twist them? I can put a pretty good spin on them, but I don't know about twisting.

I am going to assume that means no.
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Job 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Sounds like Job thought so.

God Bless.

 

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The obvious answer is yes. I will indeed see Christ in the flesh. He is in the flesh right now. There is a resurrection of the dead. I shall be like Him when I receive my resurrection body.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]So then HOW does that work with the idea that you go RIGHT to heaven when you die in the form of a Spirit? 'We will be like Him FOR we will see Him as He is'. Do you not plan to see Jesus when you get there?

There seems to be a contradiction here.

 

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

First, notice that the context of this verse is the rapture which is simultaneous with first resurrection. "When he shall appear," speaks of the rapture, Christ's coming for His own. That is when the believer will receive his glorified body. How will that happen?

1Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Verses 14 and 15 speak of those that are asleep, or those whose bodies are dead and buried. In other words we definitely know it is referring here to the body.
Verses 16 and 17 describe how that body is going to be raised. First the "dead in Christ," then we which are "alive in Christ" will be caught up in the air (raptured) to meet the Lord in the air. We will forever be with the Lord IN THE FLESH.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]How do you get SO close and still miss it?
The DEAD in Christ RISE first, NOT descend. This is a very clear passage, that not only 'secret rapture'ists use, and miss the point, but dualists use and miss the point!

We will NOT prevent those who are asleep. THEY COME UP FIRST.
The DEAD in Christ RISE first.
We who are alive are caught up together with Him.

And not to mention the SHOUT, TRUMPET, and VOICE that make a secret rapture immpossible.

ONE more thing:

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

When is this? When is Jesus referring to? Death? Or the resurrection?

'I will come' sounds like He is coming to get, who? Say it with me now, YOU!!

SO THAT WHERE HE IS, YOU MAY BE ALSO!!!

If you are already in heaven, WHY, oh WHY would He need to come get you? Do you think He needs your decrepid, old, worn, MORTAL, body? If you were already in heaven and He wanted you to have flesh, He could just make you a new one!

My, oh, my, how the Bible makes sense again.

God Bless, I will pray for your clarity.

 

He could, if He chose to do so. But He didn't and will not according to the Bible. I go by His Word, not yours.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]That's all well and good but what do you do with what God's Word says?

1 Thessalonians 4:15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

BY the WORD of the LORD- NOT ME
SHALL NOT prevent them which are ASLEEP- our 'rapture' will not prevent those asleep
the DEAD in CHRIST shall RISE first- the DEAD RISE
to MEET the Lord in the air- If they were already in heaven wouldn't it say 'to go back to the Lord after reentering their bodies?

hmmm.

Do you not believe the WORD OF THE LORD?

[ January 23, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: 3AngelsMom ]