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Featured Will the LORD Actually Sit Upon the Throne of David in Zion Per Ps 132:11-18

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JD731, Sep 29, 2024.

  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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  2. JD731

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    BINGO!

    We sure have something that we can agree upon, kyredneck. We agree on what I have underlined above. Jesus Christ is the one God in three persons. He has the ability to function in three district and separate capacities yet still be one person. If he limits himself in one of those persons to the realm of a man like he has done, it does not mean he is no longer able to be everywhere at one time because he is equally the omnipresent Spirit of God. What it does mean is that he is limited to one place at one time as a man and that the Spirit dwells in his body giving the flesh life by his presence in it. Jesus, then is a threefold being both as a man and as God. He is body, soul, and Spirit, a physical and observable man. He is that today as he sits on the throne of God awaiting the time for him to arise and return to earth for his physical kingdom. But he is also God in these three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Nothing has changed about the divinity of the Godhead but something has been added when God became flesh and was glorified. Now it is possible for us who are flesh to appear in the image of the son of God, by receiving his Spirit into our mortal bodies when we trust in Jesus Christ to wash our sins away. However, we will not be glorified in a body like his body until the resurrection and God gives us a body like unto his glorious body. This will be a body that will have the capacity to occupy the heavenlies and the ramifications of this is outside our present capacity to comprehend it. When this resurrection takes place we will have been separated from everything we received from Adam because it is eternal life, The Spirit of Christ, dwelling in a brand new body from God, able to stand in his presence. This making our Lord and savior Jesus Christ no less God than he has ever been but renewing the model of man before the fall, Adam in the garden.

    I will give you two passages now of this division of function in the redemptive purposes of God as it relates to the formation of his church, which is his body and which is being formed IN THIS AGE,.

    1 Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. v

    5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

    6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

    The Spirit administers the power in the body by his presence in each member 1 -13
    The Son administers the gifted members in the body as a cohesive one and directs it v 14-27
    The Father is in charge of operations through it's offices - v28 - chapter 13:13

    Secondly;

    Rom 8:1

    .There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    NOTE: being in Christ Jesus is the same as being in the church, which is the body of Christ that he is forming now. 1 Cor 12 as men gets saved

    So, here is what each member of the Godhead is doing;

    The Father
    8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.- This is God the Father who justifies (present tense forever) those who are in Christ

    The Son
    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    The Spirit
    11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    It is not the son who justifies you nor is the Spirit who died for you and rose again and it is not the physical person of Jesus Christ who indwells you yet it is one God who does all these things in perfect unison in his redemption of man. God is a trinity and so is the saved man. Man has had the image of God renewed through the new birth.

    This is what God is doing now in this age while the King is away and Israel has been out of their land. God is able to do more than one thing in the earth and still be God. Soon the church will be complete and Jesus Christ will come for it and he will establish his kingdom on the earth with us, the church , ruling and reigning with him. That is what the wife does for her husband, she is his helpmeet.
     
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  3. Dave G

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    Sorry, meant Zechariah 14:17.
    When believers are on the new earth with the new heavens, that will be fulfilled ( Revelation 21 ), will it not? Please take another look at it, my friend.
     
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    If it refers to a literal throne in the earthly Jerusalem, are you saying that every Christian in the world will, when this is fulfilled, need to go to the earthly Jerusalem? I am looking forward rather to being with my Saviour in the "Jerusalem which is above":

    “but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.” (Ga 4:26 NKJV)

    This is also called "the heavenly Jerusalem":

    “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,” (Heb 12:22 NKJV)
     
  5. JD731

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    David, the op is asking if Jesus Christ will actually sit on the throne of David as per Ps 132:11-18. This passage of scripture is dealing with TIME. You have moved the goal posts and have provided an answer that is dealing with ETERNITY. Between time and eternity there is a great event. After that event there is going to be an eternal NOW. There will be one day that will never end and all things will always be NEW. We have only two chapters in our 66 books of the Bible that is totally dedicated to inform us about that eventuality. It is Revelation chapter 21 and chapter 22. What is amazing to me is that during that day and in that new heaven and new earth there will be nations. The fact that nations will exist in eternity and that New Jerusalem will exist and there are 12 tribes of Israel there and 12 apostles of the LAMB , I think I am being told that both Israel and the church are in eternity together and that the rule of both and all comes from the city of the great King, Jerusalem.

    But you were asked by Dave G about Zech 14 where there is NO DOUBT that is not a prophecy about eternity because there is time there. There is a threat of death for disobedience and the nations are commanded to appear at Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles annually. There is rain there and a lack of rain when men disobey. This is not eternity and the final enemy, death, has not been swallowed up in victory and eliminated from the earth at this time.However, Jesus Christ is sitting on the throne of David and the rule over all the world is from Jerusalem.

    Here is the great event between time and eternity.

    2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    The day of God is the eternal day.

    Re 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    Revelation 22:5
    And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    The trinity will be there on the thone because God is one in three and three in one. The Spirit will be there because the Spirit indwells the body of Christ who will be there and will be indwell the Father and the Son.

    Rev 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb and we will know him in that way in eternity.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
    4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
    5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Most Baptists seem to blow over these words as if they have no heavenly context and are words without real meaning. This temple is an eternal temple for the Spirit.

    What God is doing in time is preparation for eternity where only believers will dwell.

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  6. Martin Marprelate

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    Just so. I suspect that the literal throne of David was taken off to Babylon and melted down.
     
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    I found this interesting. I put, "the throne of the LORD," in Blue Letter Bible search bar.

    1 Chro KJV 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.
    Jer 3:17 KJV At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

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    Joel 2:32 KJV And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
     
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    I think you will find that the Jerusalem mentioned Jer. 3 is not the Jerusalem below, which is in bondage with her children, but the Jerusalem above, which is free and is the mother of us all (cf. Galatians 4:24-27).
     
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  9. JD731

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    Explain that please. I will bet your education is better than you are demonstrating, Martin. These metaphors of chapter 4 would make no sense without the history of Israel under the law of Moses which was a form of bondage and servanthood that was ended after faith came in the fullness of the time setting them free from the law. It would be out of place without chapter 3.If the time was full, yet time continued, then there was a different time from that point. These people in these churches in Galatia were by and large the people who had been dispersed out of their land some 700 years before by the Assyrians. Paul knew this and it is the reason he is using these types of metaphors.

    24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Hagar, the Egyptian slave)
     
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    I will try.
    There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45). This seed ‘after the flesh’ (Galatians 4:29) is represented by Ishmael. It is most important to understand that Ishmael is not in the Covenant. ‘And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before you!” Then God said, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him”’ (Gen 17:18-19). Nothing could be clearer than this; Ishmael is not in the covenant, although he receives the covenant sign (v26). Ishmael, though not an Israelite, is a type of Israel after the flesh. He receives the earthly promises (Gen 17:20) and the outward sign, but not the spiritual blessings (Gal 4:30; Acts 7:51-53). He persecutes the True Seed (Genesis 21:9; John 8:37ff; Galatians 4:29). His circumcision is of no avail to him since he lacks what circumcision symbolized; a humble, circumcised heart (Jeremiah 9:25-26).

    There is also a spiritual seed of Abraham; those who are in Christ, the True Seed, by faith. These are they who are looking for a heavenly country just as Abraham was. Just as Abraham did not receive an earthly inheritance (Acts 7:5 etc), so the true Israelite knew that Canaan was not his true home (Psalm 39:12; 119:19. cf. 1Peter 2:11). He put no confidence in his circumcision, but rather his circumcision spoke to him of the promised Seed of Abraham who should come (cf. Luke 2:25-32; Phil 3:3).

    Isaac is not Christ, but he is a type or foreshadowing of Christ: long promised, born miraculously, persecuted by his own kin (Ishmael), offered up by his father, who received him (figuratively- Hebrews 11:19) back from the dead. The children of God come from him (Romans 9:7; Hebrews 3:5b). It is worth reading Isaiah 54 prayerfully in the light of these points.
     
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    Yes.

    Did David sit on the Throne of God, when he reigned over Israel?

    Obviously it will not be a throne that existed prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple.

    This throne, since it will be at the Second Coming: Matthew 25:31-32

    "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations:"

    Not the current throne in heaven, but one on earth. That would be David's throne. This verse is not a parable, nor symbolic. The identity of those involved has been hidden in metaphor, and most people interpret this passage wrong. That is David's throne mentioned in the OT.
     
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