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Will we see and know the witnesses?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by BillyBayou613, Feb 18, 2006.

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  1. BillyBayou613

    BillyBayou613 New Member

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    [Non-Baptist posting in a Baptist Only Forum.]

    [ February 22, 2006, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]
     
    #1 BillyBayou613, Feb 18, 2006
  2. Scarlett O.

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    Hey, Billy!!

    Well,.....I am not a Bible scholar nor an expert on end times, but I don't think that I am going to be here when the two witnesses are here, martyred, and are raised from the dead by God.

    In fact, I can definitively say that I know that I am not going to be here.

    Not all Christians believe the same thing about the end times and how God is going to wrap things up, but here is what I believe.

    End events will be in this order.

    1. Rapture of the church
    2. Tribulation (Two witnesses are here)
    3. Second coming of Christ
    4. 1000 year reign of Christ on earth
    5. Eternal heavenly reign of God.

    The rapture is when all christians, both alive and dead, are "rescued" from this old world by Jesus Christ.

    The rapture will be:
    1. secretive or "unknown" to unbelievers
    2. at ANY time, that is, NOT dependent on any prophetical events
    3. a taking away of believers to be with Christ
    4. before the Great Tribulation

    The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is when the battle of Armegedon will occur and Jesus, Himself, returning to earth with his "saints", will victoriously win the battle before it scarcely begins.

    The Second Coming will be:
    1. known to all mankind whether they be believers or not
    2. dependent on certain prophetical events (the third Temple, the Witnesses, the appearance of the antichrist....)
    3. a return of the bride of Christ with Him for Christ's judgement of the earth
    4. after the Great Tribulation

    Again, there are MANY christians who will disagree with me and that is their privilege.

    But as for the Two Witnesses, I do not believe that I will be here to see them in action. Many Christians believe that they will be Moses and Elijah, but as for recognizing them, for me the question is moot.

    Welcome to the BB!!

    Peace-
    Scarlett O.
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    #2 Scarlett O., Feb 18, 2006
  3. mima

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    I have had discussions about this before with different Christian Brothers.
    As I understand it the two witnesses will be here for the last 3 1/2 years before the end.
    As a firm believer in the rapture of the church it is my believe that the church will be rapture out before Midway of the 7 year tribulation period.
     
    #3 mima, Feb 19, 2006
  4. Tom Butler

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    Rev. 11 describes the two witnesses as two olive trees and two lampstands, described elsewhere as symbolic of Israel and the churches. I think it's interesting that each witness is described as two of something.

    Tom B.
     
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    Oh, by the way, dispies will have to come up with another explanation, because otherwise, it puts the the churches right in the middle of the Tribulation, and we can't have that, can we?

    Scarlett, please give me the specific, clear verse or passage which describes the pre-trib rapture. Thanks


    Tom B
     
    #5 Tom Butler, Feb 20, 2006
  6. mountainrun

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    It's clear that the church will be here.

    Rev 13:7 And it was given to him to make war on the saints and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and language and nation.

    {This is at the midpoint.}

    The whole world will see the witnesses.

    MR
     
    #6 mountainrun, Feb 20, 2006
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