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Wine vs. Grapejuice @ Communion

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JerryL, Apr 26, 2008.

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  1. The Archangel

    The Archangel Well-Known Member

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    Yep...His is a perfect case of what happens when you let your presuppositions define what the Bible is saying rather than letting the Bible define your presuppositions. Sad indeed.

    The Archangel
     
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    I have a feeling you'll be disappointed on more than one issue in heaven if this is how you interpret the Bible.
     
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    I am not even sure this qualifies as eisegesis. More like pure twisting of scripture.
    Perhaps that is too harsh?
    I am not sure.
     
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  4. The Archangel

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    It may be too harsh...I think the interpretation (if it can be rightly called that) is quite Pharisaical. Because he attempts to put people under bondage to his presuppositions rather than properly interpreting the Bible (where there is great freedom), it may not be too harsh.

    I've asked him several times on many different threads to explain, if he is right, why does the OT command the Israelites to drink wine and strong drink literally "to the face of God" as an act of worship. So far no answer. Then again, regarding his position, how can you defend the indefensible?

    See here:

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
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  5. Amy.G

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    I never said they were.

    And my pastor does not use off the wall commentaries. He is solid in his teachings.


    Not if it was made in the way that I described.



    I do not accuse Christ of any sin. That is what the Pharisees did.
     
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  6. dan e.

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    No need in trying to defend the indefensible...let's just sit back and...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Did you know that now they make dealcoholized wine? Some old ladies at my church tried to get us to switch to that, but I told them off. Don't they know that alcohol is the most important thing about communion? We now use fortified wine-Thunderbird or Night Train-to be more spiritual.:saint:
     
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  8. Linda64

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    There will be no disappointments in heaven....in heaven we will be perfect. There won't even be alcohol in heaven....
     
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    Amen sister....amen.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Then you have issues with Isaiah 25:6 which is clearly alcholic.
     
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    Isaiah is dealing with the Millenial Kingdom, not the eternal Kingdom.

    Also, well aged does not necessarily mean alcoholic. The wine found in Herod's fortress at Masada had been sealed up for approximately 100 years and was still as fresh as the day it was put in the fortress.

    I would say 100 years is well aged.

    Have you ever looked at the word 'refined' in that verse you so love to quote? It means strained or filtered; purged or purified. Straining was one of the methods used during Bible times to keep wine from fermenting as recorded by Pliny and his contemporaries.

    The wine in Isaiah 25:6 is not alcoholic at all. It is pure of the poison that Scripture warns against.
     
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    You are the one with the issues...that verse is NOT speaking about heaven...it is speaking of the EARTHLY millennial kingdom. This is NOT the eternal kingdom. There will be NO alcohol in the eternal kingdom.
     
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    So Christ living WITH man is not Heaven?!? It is the beginning of Heaven! I can't believe you would think the MK is NOT Heaven :eek:
     
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    Only you could say the "wines on the lees well refined" is not alcoholic. I don't know why I responded to this, as that is so ludicrous it is not worthy a response.
     
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    I don't know why you would think that the Millennial Kingdom (when Christ will rule and reign from David's throne in the earthly Jerusalem) would be heaven.

    Do you not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ will return to the earth....do you not believe in the Second Coming of Christ to this earth to set up the Millennial Kingdom He promised Israel?
     
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    What's the word?..........Thunderbird. What's the price?....... 50 cents twice. :laugh:
     
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    I believe all of that...I believe when Christ calls me home, at that moment Heaven begins for me. When I return WITH Christ as He sets up His kingdom, Heaven continues. It's unheard of to think that believers in their new bodies living with Christ eternally can be anything but Heaven. God has decided He will live with man...here...on earth. That is Heaven. The "wine on the lees well refined" will be served by our God, and there is NOTHING poisonous or sinful about it!
     
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    Here's some wine that appears better for you.

    It advertises itself as the no headache wine (or close to it) and will offer a refund if it doesn't live up to its name.


    http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/
     
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    That's right, because it won't be alcoholic.
     
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