Women in Ministry

You were given Scritpture from 1 Timothy showing an elder to be the husband of one wife. There is no Scripture that states "women shall not be elders", but neither is their Scritpure stating "thou shall not look upon Playboy" either. If the elder MUST be the husband of one wife, that eliminates women.

 

So I guess Paul could not be an elder either. As far as we know he was never married.

Phoebe was a deacon .... actually the word that is translated deacon and often servent for Phoebe, is translated 22 times as minister. Wonder why that is that for Phoebe they did not use minister. Guess the translators just could not bring themself to use the word minister a 23rd time. :laugh:

 

It's a noun.
BIG difference.:thumbs:
Phoebe was "a minister" of the church.

 

I figure she was also. But you'd better duck ... there are people here who will throw things at you for saying so.:tonofbricks:

 

You're right...I don't think he could have been, nor was he.

This whole "minister" noun verb debate is pointless. I call her a servant of the church. One can be called a waiter...because that is what they do. Same with minister. I'm a minister...but I'm not a leader in my church.

 

Are you a minister of the church? I am. Every child of God is called to be a minister, but not everyone is called to be leaders.

 

Many words in the Hebrew and Greek do not coordinate well with the English. Do a study on the word "hate" sometime (sane - Hebrew, miseo - greek). The english doesn't always do it justice. Same with diakonos.

 

So confusing!
What is the difference between annsni's minister and webdog's minister?

 

The context of how it is used.

Example:

All leaders are called to serve, but not all servants are called to lead.

 

So why not just be honest and say she was a minister???

 

She was, but she wasn't a leader.

All leaders are called to serve, but not all servants are called to lead.

 

Thought I would post this again just in case somebody wanted to more than a tit for tat argument.

 

Miriam was a prophetess.

Deborah a Judge of Israel AND a prophetess.

We have NO indication at all in scripture that your argument was ever entertained such that their husbands were no longer the head of the household.

In 1cor 14 we have the same thing "EACH ONE has a teaching, a tongue, a revelation" without any mention at all that when the Women are included in the body of Christ in that context - they somehow negated the role of the husband in the home.

you speculate a problem that never exists in scripture as "proof" of something???

in Christ,

Bob

 

A prophetess is not a leader.

That is an impossibility since Christian husbands make up part of the flock...and the elders are over that flock. It's pretty much common sense from there.

Irrelevant. We are not talking about spiritual gifts.

Specualte a problem? Are you telling me that men have never had a spiritual problem they needed to discuss with church leadership? Fact is, Elders are the spiritual heads of the church, and husbands are the spiritual heads of their home. The only way these both can be true and work is with a man in both positions. You don't stop being an elder once you leave the church, and you don't stop being a husband when you walk out of the home.

 

Websters 1828

MIN'ISTER, n. [L.]
1. Properly, a chief servant; hence, an agent appointed to transact or manage business under the authority of another; in which sense, it is a word of very extensive application.

Authority in the church and home (both created by God) is given from God himself. He designed both of these as well as the structure of authority in them. It is really pretty simple. We so readily accept authority at work, in law enforcement, on the football field, in court... Why not accept it here?

 

GE

The first witnesses and first proclaimers = teachers of the Gospel, were women -- even while they were looked down upon by the men -who said they told them 'old wive's tales'.

The same me who before may seem to have said differently, ja.