Women Pastors

Such an easy topic made so difficult. Woman Pastors ---in a nut shell.
God's character cannot be on display in a gathered assembly where a woman is pastoring teaching etc... and all would agree we want God's character to be on display when we gather because we want to grow in the Lord and we want our gathered assemblies to be appealing to the unsaved. Wow, I can't believe how long this discussion went.
Thanks Dr. Bob for your right on humor!
In Christ,Brian

 

MW, God gave us the blue prints for the gathered assembly and it is our duty to follow them. You remind me of Job MW, and don't be surprised if God says to you, "Gird up your loins like a man"
In Christ,
Brian

 

What I can't figure is where do these good ole boys come up with the "Office of the Pastor"? I caint find it in my Bible. When did being a pastor become an "Office"? I thot the word pastor meant 'shepherd'; since when did the Sheepowner build an "Office" for the shepherd? I guess that would explain why we have more pastors today than ever yet fewer sheep are being saved.
We got too many of them good ole boys sitting in their "Office", condemning us dumb sheep for not being as holy as them.

 

I don't plan to have sex with my pastor, so what does it matter what kind of anatomy he or she has?

 

MW, you are not paying attention are you but then again if you did you would have to admit I was right. There are woman pastors who have preached and people got saved, I think, though I do not know anybody personally saved by the message of a woman pastor. A gathered body will not have God's blessing unless his design is followed. Churches as you spoke of MW will get twisted doctrine and fall to the wayside eventually because God will not bless them in ways as he blesses those who do what he says. Many examples from Isreal history of this type of thing. Churches with woman pastors will not put Godly people into the world to witness to others and thus the effect of Christians in those churches is minimal compared to a church following God's plan.
MW, Are their other plans of God you are choosing to ignore as well? (not meant mean-spirited)
In Christ,
Brian

 

MW, again you miss the point. No matter what you think you see happening at a church, if the doctrine is wrong, not many if any of the attendees are being saved because they are not hearing the truth. People who attend those churches will be legalistic, will go to church 3 times aweek and not watch a TV, all the while not being a new creation in Christ. In the case of Lutheran or like female pastored churches all sorts of liberalism creeps in. Both church types become clubs but the Truth of Christ gets lost because the Bible is not held as the true word of God.
MW, give me an example of a well lead, Bible based church with a female Pastor, you did say you know of some, right?
In Christ and His Word,
Brian

 

What Brian is saying and I agree, is that those that are saved in churches where women are pastoring, is that they are saved in spite of the church not following what God said.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Wrenn:
Brian,

I am paying attention, and I admit you are wrong.

What you say about churches with women pastors is simply not true, and I know from personal experience and observation what I'm talking about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With all due respect to yours, experiences and observations are not a sound foundation for doctrine. This is the way charasmatics and pentecostals get practices like being slain in the spirit, holy laughter, ecstatic tongues, trances, mass hyponosis, etc. The Bible is a sound foundation and is not ambiguous on the qualifications for a pastor.

You may see "success" in churches that follow extra-biblical or unbiblical practices. But they cannot please God and be in violation of scripture. The Bible has many examples of God's longsuffering with the disobedient. His withholding of judgment should never be confused with approval. He does allow Satan to use circumstances to tempt and deceive which is why all circumstances must be viewed with a biblical perspective.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> the Lord have mercy on you all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Praise God, He does. And on you too!

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Wrenn:
All I can say right now is, the Lord have mercy on you all!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a scriptural or any other sound foundation for what you believe on this matter?

Can you cite the biblical qualifications for a female pastor?

Do you have any proof for your beliefs beyond your own feelings and experiences?

If not then it is probably not us that you need to be seeking mercy for.

 

Briguy,
I assume you are talking about Baptist Churches, since there are tons of Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal etc.

Here is one I know of personally.
Calvary Baptist Church in Waco, Tx. The pastors name is Julie Pennington Russell. She was formerly pastor of 19th Ave. Baptist Church in San Francisco. Both of these churches are/were well lead and Bible based.

I have heard her preach several times, in fact would join her church if I lived anywhere near it.

Any other questions?

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhoneycutt:
Here is one I know of personally.
Calvary Baptist Church in Waco, Tx. The pastors name is Julie Pennington Russell. She was formerly pastor of 19th Ave. Baptist Church in San Francisco. Both of these churches are/were well lead and Bible based. ... Any other questions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I have a question: In light of God's clear revelation, how can you call a church with a woman exercising authority over a man Bible-based? Can you not see the clear contradiction?

That they might be well-lead in the sense of organized is a non-issue. The issue is, do they conform to biblical revelation? Is this woman the husband of one wife? Is she obeying the command to not exercise authority over men? Then she is not qualified to be the pastor no matter how well she might communicate.

However, once again the issue is authority -- who has it? Man or God??

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Wrenn:
God--and He does not permit men to tell Him that He can only call men to pastoral ministry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? The more applicable statement would be that "God does not allow mankind to tell Him that His qualifications for a pastor are invalid or unacceptable."

Pastor Larry nor anyone else here made up the requirement that a pastor be a man. God did.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Wrenn:
God--and He does not permit men to tell Him that He can only call men to pastoral ministry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

God is the one who said that only men are called to the ministry -- Unless you are denying that the Bible is the word of God. Neither is it a matter of what God CAN do; it is a matter of what he said whe will do. When man questions the clear revelation of God, he attempts to set himself up as the governing authority.