Women's authority over men?

Actually, around here, I'm the 'master' of the Refrigerator, more than is my bride. And both of us are far more concerned when we stare at the refrigerator looking for one thing, we notice something staring back at us.




Ed

 

your exactly right! WOW!!
Do think our government would be better if it was ran like the church? Shouldn't the module of the church and the home be a module for everything else. After all God did design it's structure.

 

I been thinking on this. I think it is more telling that God gave women direction of where they were to be, not where they are not to be.

No there is no prohibition from women working. However if they can not manage their home, how could they manage a job or a country? Just as the Bible says if a man can not mangae his duties in the home he has no place as an elder or deacon.

Yes I am an unltraconservative fuddy duddy, but I figure, God is very good at telling us all we need to know to follow His will for our life, not just His will for the church. I figure HIS words come through Paul for women to be silent means just that, women are to teach women and children, period.

Claiming Paul's letters out of date or for his time only, is a bad move, because Christ claimed that what ever the apostles bound on earth would be bound in Heaven too. Basically what they said for a Christian to do, we are to do because Christ sanctioned it. So following the logical road on it, calling Paul out of date means calling Christ out of date since He inspired Paul. :flower:
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Don't forget Huldah the prophetess:

2 Chronicles 34:22 And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they spake to her to that effect.
23 And she answered them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Tell ye the man that sent you to me,
24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:
25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.
26 And as for the king of Judah, who sent you to enquire of the LORD, so shall ye say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel concerning the words which thou hast heard;
27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.​

 

There's a difference in saying "Paul's words don't apply," (I don't), and saying, "Let's faithfully apply the text." Paul was talking about the church, not government.

 

Actually if you are an "unltraconservative fuddy duddy" then you are probably a literalist when it comes to Scripture.

If you are then please note that according to the following literal text in 1 Corinthians a woman is forbidden to speak in the church.
There are no exceptions in this passage as to whether they can teach other women and/or children, but are to be silent, period.

1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Just curious about one thing, if women teach children in Sunday School in your church how do you address this passage?

Do they sing, pray aloud or give testimonies in church?

Forbidden, is it not according to this passage?

HankD

 

Hi Ann,

How do you interpret the post and the Scripture (below) I made just after the one I did on Huldah the prophetess?

1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Are women allowed to teach anyone (other women, children) in the local church according to this passage?

Just an FYI, I believe they are but one has to compare Scripture with Scripture, but let me know your answer anyway.


Thanks
HankD

 

This is not necessarily a "rule", but it may, you find, be relevant:

Romans 13:1

So... If Hillary were elected President, would her power be ordained of God?

How about if she were a senator?

 

What if the choices were Condi Rice or Barak Obama?

Good point. I can't answer that one.

 

Governmental leadership is not new to this culture. Neither are female leaders (Deborah? Esther?)

I love the scorched-earth approach you take. If I vote for a female for president (won't happen this year...) then I'm for pot & cocaine use? Can someone say non-sequitur?

Wow. You went three whole posts before you start in with the name-calling. Just because someone disagrees with you (and they explain their Biblical position to boot) doesn't make them "liberal." I wouldn't serve under a woman senior pastor. But (although I wouldn't vote for Hillary) I couldn't rule out voting for a female president...depends on the alternate candidates, the situation, her qualifications, etc.

ajg, how 'bout let's have discussion, and let's forego the name-calling, 'K?

 

Nice ad hominem.

I am not for gay marriage, nor abortion. If you would ask, before assuming, I would gladly tell you.

I'm "offended," as you put it, (I find it humorous, actually. Not much gets me riled)......because you are name-calling when someone just might disagree with you on one issue....even though we agree on so many others. I just find that kind of behavior immature.

By the way.....the BB isn't like some other boards you may have frequented. Name-calling and inflammatory posts aren't nearly as accepted here as on other sites. Just FYI.

 

Not at all. I just expressed my opinion earlier that Paul's admonition regarding women was an ecclesiastical one, not a political one. e.g., I have issues with a woman senior pastor because Scripture does. I do not have issue with woman political leaders because as I understand Scripture, no such prohibition exists.

You wrote the following:

You don't think this is inflammatory? Keep in mind--your post has to do with women in politics. We're not talking about the doctrine of Salvation or the Trinity here. I think it's way over the top to use that kind of rhetoric on an issue such as this.

Furthermore, I just wanted to clear my name. Just because I might vote for a female does not mean I am pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. I simply have to point out that distinction, because it is enormous.

Since you feel I am fight-picking, I'll leave this conversation as it is, and not cause further acrimony. Good day. :wavey: