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Womens hair

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Danny Hurley, Feb 5, 2008.

  1. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94 Active Member

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    Shame on you, SFIC! You're derailing the thread.

    By the way, that woman's shoulder is bare but her head is covered. Doesn't that make her a hypocrite?:laugh:

    Ok, I'll try to stop hijacking. . .
     
  2. Amy.G

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    I would wear that hat to church, but...

    I'm chicken.
     
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    Sorry guys, couldn't resist it.

    Back to the services.
     
  4. DHK

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    Paul specifically says that long hair is a glory unto her.
    That doesn't mean she must have her hair down to her waist her or longer, but it does mean long. Common sense should dictate on what is long.
    Because the Lord says so, and for no other reason. (1Cor.11:14). It is a shame unto him if he doesn't. Nature teaches him that it is common sense not to have it long. But rather that it is a glory for a woman to have long hair, not the man.

    1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
    --The short answer there is: no.
    He cannot wear a hat.
    I lived in a generation where it was common etiquette for a man to take off his hat in every public building that he went into, not just a church. I guess they threw etiquette out the door some time ago.
     
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    I always wondered what it is about nature that teaches men anything about hair length. It seems to me that culture tells a man about hair length.
     
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    Almost every culture one goes to they will find that the male has short hair and the women have long hair. That is what Paul is referring to. It is natural. Nature teaches you. He is not speaking of cultures that are in direct disobedience to the Word of God, such as pagans (in the literal sense of the word).
     
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    Just out of curiosity, which brand (or sect, I guess) of Baptists believe in headcoverings, anyway?
     
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    I have only seen it in the IFBs
     
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    I'm thankful I no longer have to take off my hat when I enter a building. That is the stupidist thing that ever was. For one thing, and the main thing, when I wear a hat, I get hat head. My hair gets messed up. Why expose my hat head to some old fashoned tradition?
     
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    Back in the day when women had long hair and pinned up on their head, I am not sure how submissive they really were.
     
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    I remember that the Catholics used to emphasize this much more than Protestants but I don't think that's still the case.
     
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    I assume you are a man, so what do you mean you no longer have to take off your hat when entering a building? Do you wear your hat in church? Do you wear it into a courtroom or library? If you do, you are committing a serious faux pas. I would not hire a man if I knew he did not remove his hat indoors and most of my colleagues feel the same way. In my experience only rednecks and ignorant people do this.
     
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    unless you lose all your hair with chemo....like I did this past year.


    I put hair rules right in there with foot washing.
     
  14. sag38

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    No I do not wear my hat in church nor in court room. At such times, I'm not wearing a hat. But, I might in a library. Then again, I might if we are having a work day at church. When we go in to eat I'll leave my hat on with the other "redneck" and "ignorant" men of my church. :thumbs:
     
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    Hello to all. I am a long time lurker, just deciding to voice my opinion, for good or ill.

    First off, I do think those on both sides (long or short, cover or not) are truly trying to understand the scripture and obey the Lord.

    Wasn't it Paul (I may be wrong here shooting from the hip) that tells us in some matters some will "esteem every day the same" and others not, and tell us to let everyone be fully convinced in their own mind? And not to judge each other? And are we not warned against trying to follow Jewish law? And yet in so many places the restrictions placed on women are based on Jewish law.

    That tells me we need to be cautious. Of course we will, as free and equal Christian women, need to be willing to behave in manners that do not cause others to disregard the gospel.

    To that end, I make sure folks can tell at a quick glance that I am a woman and that I am not a harlot. (In our town there are many transgendered folks that DO leave you wondering, and prostitutes.) Beyond that, I do not get entangled up again in legalism.

    Many gentlemen in my church DO have a legalistic view of women. Strangely, those same men have no problem at cowboy church over the hill praying with their hats on (heads covered.)

    It seems that legalism has been tossed for men--and rightly so. It also seems it has been enshrined for women--and that is not right.

    Peace to all and I do so enjoy reading these boards!
     
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    Old Regular Baptists.
     
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    What does that mean???
     
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    Verse 10 or 1 Cor 11 is probably the most enigmatic verse in 1 Cor. My take on it is this: Paul is sayin that whenever a woman is praying or profesying in a public worship service, she should follow the cultural norms of decency (in that day this included a headcovering [the sign of authority upon her head]). He includes another argument here in v10, that because of the angels she should pray and prophesy with he head covered; not because the angels will be tempted to have sex with her (as in Gen 6), but because they observe our worship and as agents of God women should show them respect by following the cultural norms of decency.

    I think this passage says something to males who lead in worship too: we, along with women, should dress and act decently according to our culture when we worship, especially when we have an active role in worship. We should do this for two reasons: 1) it promotes unity--if we are all on the same page on this, then we won't be fighting about clothes, hairstyles, etc; and 2) it tries to ensure that the gospel message will be heard--if we are not following the cultural norms of decency and an unbeleiver comes into our midst, he or she is likely to not hear the gospel at all...instead focusing on whatever we are doing that is indecent.
     
  19. DHK

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    Since when to "culltural norms of decency" dictate or have authority of the plain teaching and commands of the Bible. Paul refers to the covering of the head for a woman as an ordinance, a command. You refer to it as a culture norm. Here is a comparison of your logic.

    In some tribes in Africa the "cultural norm of decency" is for the women is to go around with bare breasts. Thus if a missionary and his family were to go to that tribe to give them the gospel and win them to the Lord, what would they do? According to your "theology" and logic the missionary should follow the "cultural norm" and teach his wife and daughters to adapt to the culture and go around with bare breasts just like the rest of the people. Isn't that right?

    So I ask again: Since when does culture dictate the clear-cut commands of the Bible?
     
  20. abcgrad94

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    DHK, I appreciate the way you have consistently used the Word to back up your stance on the headcovering issue. I disagree with your viewpoint since I interpret the passages differently, but it is refreshing to see an opinion based on scripture and not on emotion or blind obedience to a pastor's wishes.

    (I know you didn't use scripture in this particular post, but the other posts containing verses were too lengthy to quote.)
     
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