Wondering Why?

rc,

You said,

Truth has a way, sometimes, of making people angry. I recall Jesus saying, Whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause . . . . and shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of Hell fire.’ [Matthew 5:22]

Like I said, if God is the Author of sin then according to your twisted theology, God and Satan are associates and allies in a world perpetrating the same crime in or on human society.

 

Wes,
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Man only does what is in man's heart! If that heart has evil man does evil.

Now your sounding like a Calvinist!
To finish you thought, ALL MEN are NOTHING BUT EVIL. That's why God HAS to be the AUTHOUR of our faith, don't you see? A man who has nothing but evil in his heart will NEVER choose Him!

Think about it...THE HEART IS THE SOURCE of your free will. And the heart will DETERMINE what you CHOOSE freely!

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe ... And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." ( John 6:63-65) [note: "the phrase "come to Me" is a synonym for "faith" or "believe"]

"Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. "[note: a person produces fruit in accord with his nature] (Matt 7:16-18)

" Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad.You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. " (Matt 12:33- 35)

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil." (Jeremiah 13:23)

"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:26-27)

34Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin..."If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does...44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." John 8:34-47

In other words, water does not rise above its source.

 

Wes, you can't take an imperative and make it an inductive! Your doing it again... Faith does come by the Word of God BUT That faith is CHOSEN by YOU AFTER the heart is CHANGED.. That is the whole point of what you said earlier and what ALL those verses say... DECIDING to have faith in God and repenting is a GOOD thing right? A rightious thing? Your heart can't even CONCEIVE of that being good or desiring UNTIL the HEART is changed by God !

 

No scripture, just humanistic, feelings...
Man's heart is wicked and seeks NOTHING but evil continually. Faith in God isn't evil. He'll never by himself seek God.. it's acutally very simple to see Biblically.

 

Well I disagree with your premise, I know too many unsaved persons who do not seek evil continually.

Wes... I didn't know you could see men's hearts. Even our best works are as filthy rags to Him... Your the one with blanket statements and NO SCRIPTURE, I am just using scripture.

Romans 3:10-18 10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; NNE DOES GOOD, not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips." 14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness." 15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 in their paths are ruin and misery, 17 and the way of peace they have not known." 18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Genesis 8:21 21 And when the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse(1 )the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth.

 

Hi RC;

Yes you are using scripture, but it's the scripture that says what's in a sinners heart. Not what God says is so.
This is what the old testament says yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
2Ch 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

This proves that Paul was wrong according to your interpretation and it proves that men do seek God and this one did at a very young age.

Either your interpretation is wrong or Paul is. I think you're wrong.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

ILL ... again using narrative for doctrine... bad bad bad... This is a statement and does not back up anything you say... I can EASILY say that his heart was changed by God to cause him to seek him and I would be Biblical and you would be wanting ... Why cause I have proof texts to explain the narrative.. you do not...
No man seeks after God .. not one...
No man can come to me unless the father GRANTS it.

Thus in ALL narratives when anybody seeks, it's because God granted it before time. You have NO verses that state word for word that man CAN and HAS THE ABILITY to seek Him in his natural state...NOT ONE! I've asked you over and over again to give me one and you can't! NO analogies, no narratives, no indicatives... give me a proof text!

 

Hi RC

And you have none that say man cannot. Yet Josiah did seek him in his natural state because you have none that says he wasn't in his natural state. do you?
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Again no scripture.... don't you get tired of spewing your philosophies?

NO man seeks after God, no not one. God grants mercy on who He mercies. Those who He mercies He GRANTS ability too.

All scripture. Now... Give me a verse that says 'Man has the ABILITY to choose God in his natural state' ...

 

Again no scripture... I know my Bible, AND grammer AND other languages ... that's why I know you can't give me a verse!