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Featured Word Study G3724, “horizo”

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Aug 9, 2014.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Frequently liberals say that are something else, progressives, or compassionate conservatives, or Blue dogs, or whatever. It does not matter what I think, or what others think. What matters is if I have actually presented truth. To respond with "Taint so and you evil for saying so" has no merit.


    1) I say to specify beforehand is to foretell. Others beg to differ.
    2) All my translation choices, such as horizo as specify in various tenses, reflect translational decisions published in well accepted translations like the NASB, NET, HCSB, WEB, and NKJV.
    3) I have said from means from and not before. Others beg to differ.
    4) I have said 2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. Others beg to differ.​

    Bottom line, my goal is to promote Bible Study, and Bible discussion, and to avoid provincial protectors of turf.
     
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    And I have documented where the above is pure fiction. Your unique rendering of "specified" in Luke 22;22, Acts 2:23, and Acts 10:42 was not used in any Bible translation --none. So your prior claims of not being out of the mainstrm are bogus.
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    Are you saying that the biblical scholars that translated the Niv/Esv/Nlt etc were and are all liberals?

    ALL of them hold to orthodox Christianity, and to the full inspiration of the Bible, so?
     
    #23 Yeshua1, Aug 13, 2014
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    My rendering of G3724, is found in the HCSB at Hebrews 4:7
    Folks, note Rippon left out Hebrews 4:7 in the above to misrepresent what I said.

    So my statement was absolutely true, mainstream version translators have translated horizo as specify, just as they have each and every one of my four word meaning choices, specify, determine, declare and decide.
     
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    And that is an isolated instance which is not found in the mainstream of Bible versions.


    As I have said before, in Luke 22:22, Acts 2:23 and Acts 10:42 the English word "specify" is not used in any English Bible version --none at all. So your frequent claims that your personal renderings are not out of the mainstream are completely bogus.
     
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    G3724, horizo is translated by the HCSB translation team as specified at Hebrews 4:7. Thus the translation choice is mainstream and and shared with many others.
     
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    Hello Mr. Wall. Communicating with you is like conversing with a wall. You are too stubborn to admit what I have had to repeat several times, including in my last post --is true.

    I had already told you that your rendering of some form of the word specify in Luke 22:22, Acts 2:23, and Acts 10:42 is not found in any Bible translations --not a single one. Therefore your mainstream claim is completely fictitious.

    As far as it being in the HCSB with respect to Hebrews 4:7 --the HCSB translation is a mainstream version. However, the rendering in that reference is certainly not mainstream since it stands alone. No other English translation uses that word in its rendering. It is outside the mainstream of Bible translation readings. Doth thou now understand Van? Or do you want to take on the characteristics of a wall again?
     
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    Greek Lexicon IPD (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament)
    Strong: G3724
    Word: οριζω
    Pronounc: hor-id'-zo
    Orig: from 3725; to mark out or bound ("horizon"), i.e. (figuratively) to appoint, decree, specify:--declare, determine, limit, ordain.
     
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    van wants to use that isolated single verse rendering to approve his theory, but sure that there are other parts of the hcsb where their renderings would not have his full approval...
     
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    Contex must be taken into account each time though that word is used in the Greek text, correct?
     
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    So you agree "specify" is a well accepted meaning for G3724, horizo!!

    The OP addressed the context of each verse, i.e. where God had specified something in scripture. That is what drove the choice of "specified" over the other available shades of meaning.
     
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    Anyway, that's your advertised claim. But specified is less than adequate --it waters-down God's Word nine times out of ten.
     
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    Specified is better because it points to God's prior revelation.
     
    #33 Van, Aug 16, 2014
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    Specifically, how, Mr. Bible Translator?
     
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    Not to put too fine a point on it, but when you specify something in scripture, then subsequently you can refer to what you specified in scripture. Hopefully, that is specific enough.
     
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    The above needs to be repeated. Now why should someone take your word for it that specify is a better rendering? Why should Bible translators who know a lot more than you bow to your take on the matter?
     
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    I presented my view, not based on any claim of authority or expertise, but based on what is quite obvious. If God was referring to a prior revelation where the circumstance was specified, that should not be lost in translation.
     
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    You are lost in a wilderness of words.
     
    #38 Rippon, Aug 17, 2014
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    More bashing from those who do not seem to know how to even do word study.
     
    #39 Van, Aug 19, 2014
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    Not YOUR kind of them!
     
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