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Featured Words Leaving The English Language In Bible Translations

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    RipponRedeaux Well-Known Member

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    I'll list the usage of this word from the whole canon --the Old and New Testaments. (However, MOUNCE covers only the NT).

    I'll be dealing with 16 versions.

    Seven don't use the word at all : NET, NLT, WEB, NASB, ISV, CEB and CSB.

    NIV, MOUNCE : 1
    LEB : 3
    NRSV, ESV : 5
    EHV : 9
    NABRE : 11
    NKJV : 18
    KJV : 24

    This particular word is passe.

    The NIV and MOUNCE are right in the middle; since the average is 1.3.
     
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    NASB, NLT : 1
    CSB : 2
    EHV, ESV : 7
    ISV : 9
    CEB : 12
    NET : 15
    NIV : 20
    WEB : 30
    LSB : 37
    LEB : 42
    NABRE : 48
    NRSV : 107

    The NIV is in the middle of the pack at 20 (the actual mean is 24.14) Of the 14 translations listed, the oldest one has 107. I think it's fair to say that the word heed is leaving modern English versions.
     
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    NLT : 15
    NET : 19
    CSB : 21
    NABRE : 24
    LEB : 25
    CEB : 28
    NIV : 40
    ESV : 53
    NRSV : 56
    EHV : 64
    WEB, LSB : 72
    NASB : 75
    ISV : 90

    Once again the NIV lands smack dab in the middle with 40. (the average is 41.57). Is this word leaving modern Bible translations? Perhaps.
     
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    I think I shall start a campaign to bring back old words. I shall start with the word "tush."
    "Tush" is a great word. It combines in one short word a sense of pity and mild exasperation.
    I haven't got a Tyndale's NT handy, but I think in Genesis 3, Satan says to Eve, 'Tush! Ye shall not die.'

    When I have reinstated that, I shall continue with "forsooth." ;)
     
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    The problem is the choosing of English words which best represent the God given words He gave. There is no one English translation.

    We the reader's of the word of God gave us, we are not inerrant.

    The translators who give us our English translations are not inerrant.

    The variat selection of texts of God's word are not inerrant.

    God's word as He originally gave it is inerrant.

    Matthew 4:4, ". . . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. . . ."

    Deuteronomy 8:3, ". . . know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. . . ."
     
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    The word 'forsooth' isn't even in the KJV. But it is in the Wycliffe translation 2,355 times.
     
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    'Course it is: The Translators to the Reader
     
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    Martin, "tush" means something very different on this side of the pond.



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    Oh! :oops: I hadn't thought of that, forsooth!
     
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    The EHV, CEB, ISV, NET, NIV, NLT, NABRE did not use this word at all.
    CSB: 1
    ESV, LEB : 4
    NRSV : 5
    WEB : 7
    NASB : 8
    LSB, NKJV : 9

    The mean is 3.133

    I hereby declare that fatness has largely gone AWOL from Modern English Bible versions.
     
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    The LSB, NASB, EHV and (surprisingly) don't use this word at all.
    The ESV and WEB use it once.
    The NIV uses it twice.
    The CSB uses it four times.
    NLT, NRSV : 6
    CEB : 8
    NABRE, ISV : 9
    LEB : 10
    NET : 19

    The mean is 5.87
     
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    There are only two (of my list of 15 English Bible translations) that use this word in the double digits.
    LSB : 18
    ESV : 15
    LEB : 8
    NRSV : 7
    NIV, NASB, NET : 2
    WEB, ISV, EHV, CEB, CSB : 0

    The mean is 3.733.

    It's a short word. But it's getting less and less common.
     
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    EHV, CSB, NASB, NIV, NLT do not use this word at all.
    NET : 1
    CEB : 2
    ISV : 3
    NRSV : 4
    NCB : 10
    NKJV : 13
    NABRE : 14
    LEB : 16
    ESV : 122
    LSB : 151

    This word is dated. Not dead yet; but dated.
     
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    EHV : 0
    NET : 2
    CSB, WEB : 5
    NIV, NLT : 6
    NASB, CEB : 7
    NKJV : 13
    ESV, ISV, LSB : 14
    NCB : 37
    NABRE : 40
    LEB : 41
    NRSV : 44

    This word is dying out.
     
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    NLT : 23
    CSB : 24
    NET : 34
    CEB : 36
    NIV : 41
    EHV : 42
    NRSV : 49
    ISV, NABRE : 53
    NCB : 71
    LEB : 74
    ESV : 136
    NASB : 138
    WEB : 141
    LSB : 147
    NKJV : 155

    Eleven of these translations use this word in the double digits. Only five versions use it in the triple digits.
     
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    The overwhelming majority of Bible versions don't use this word. The LSB uses it once. The old Darby translation uses it 38 times.

    The Swedish singing group that has been around for half a century uses this word in a song called Just A Notion. But I think the more appropriate word should be thereafter.
     
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    Of the 16 versions that I have been citing :

    Five don't use this word.
    Five use it once.
    Two use it twice.
    One uses it thrice.
    One uses it four times.
    Two use it five times.
     
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    Five versions do not use this word
    One uses it once.
    LEB : 3
    EHV : 4
    NASB : 5
    LSB : 6
    NRSV : 9
    ESV : 11
    NABRE : 13
    NKJV : 17
    WEB : 23
    NCB : 39

    I like this word. I use it. But it is on its way out in MLBs.
     
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