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Would you allow this person ............ ?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. Alive in Christ

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    Absolutely not.




    We dont have a choir. :tongue3::laugh:
     
  2. ccrobinson

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    Interesting tactic to admit your own dishonesty and make a lame attempt to justify yourself.
     
  3. Salty

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    Of course:tonofbricks:
     
  4. donnA

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    they have to be a church memeber
     
  5. rbell

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    CTB's actions on this thread have been thoroughly disturbing.

    He has deliberately misconstrued many points made...that we insist on church membership for all worship leaders...and has deliberately turned that around so as to claim that we would turn this woman away, and do so gleefully.

    I find it sad that he feels the need to do that. I find it problematic that CTB would ignore the reasoning behind our posts (even if he disagrees), and intimate bigotry, hatred, and godlessness.

    This tells me that CTB is more interested in finding reasons to dislike what he considers "the unenlightened" than he is in fellowship.

    Sad. There are several people on this board to the left of me...but that I respect, and that would never try such. I'm sorry CTB isn't one of them.
     
  6. Crabtownboy

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  7. Bro. Curtis

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    I have no problem saying this story never happened. And RBELL is right. CTB's actions on this board serve one purpose, to attack Baptists & all they believe.
     
  8. SeekingTruth

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    Just read a sample of CTB's posts. The posts in this thread are typical of what he routinely posts.
     
  9. donnA

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    doesn't sound like a baptist does it. he constantly attacks christians, christianity, leans toward supporting ungodliness, not biblical living, as seen in this and many other threads.
     
  10. Tom Bryant

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    I think we have to watch out that we don't impute motives to CTB. I think he's wrong about this and alot of other stuff he writes, but no one can know why a person does anything. That's for God to do.

    With that said, I don't know what the difference is between leading worship and enhancing worship. A human voice is not the same as an organ or a piano. When people are in front of a congregation, they are seen as representing what the church believes.

    We are not judging the woman. We are simply setting a standard and living up to it.
     
  11. sag38

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    Crabby, I think like to play devil's advocate. And, that's fine but we never really know where he stands on an issue. Crabby, we aren't your students sitting in your classroom. Please quit playing college professor.
     
  12. Revmitchell

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    This is what happens when you see the Bible as just another book.
     
  13. gb93433

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    For 14 years I was a part of a church that did not believe in membership. It has sent many missionaries and had classes for those wanting to be missionaries and was actively involved in discipleship as a church. 50% of their budget went directly to missions. Their philosophy was that people who get involved will be there. In that church nobody could rest in the idea that their membership was there. Seldom did anyone visiting get out of that church without somebody asking them about their spiritual condition after the invitation was given and the service was over. In that church there was a waiting list for leadership. They had more leaders available to lead than ministries. Many also led ministries outside of the church. In their 81 years of existence not one penny has ever gone for interest payments.

    So membership was never an issue. As far as non-Christians singing they could but were never allowed to make decisions. I seriously doubt that anyone wanting to just sing would have stayed long because what it took to walk with God was made clear and help was there.

    A few years ago I was pastoring a church and had gotten to know a young man and his family who lived near us. It seemed like everything clicked and we became good friends. It turns out that he was one of the instrument players in one of the Super Bowls. By the tie I met him he was not a Christian and neither were his children but his wife was but not doing well. As we became friends we had many discussions. Within a few months be started playing his instrument in church along with the choir and other instrumentalists. His commitment to excellence at the time was such that he was not happy with less than "getting it right." At that time he saw his ability as something done ot God and he was not a Chrisitan. In effect he made the Chrisitans in the music group look like they did not care. Within about two mointh she came to me and said that he wanted to make Christ his Lord and get baptized. Today he is the music leader in a church and has been teaching them to make disciples. Looking back I am glad that I handled the issue well. During the days as a non-Christian and as a young Christian I told him to be humble and learn all he could but not to say much because he might not sound so good because he was new in the faith. He followed my advice and eventually he grew and became a dynamic leader with great boldness.
     
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  14. gb93433

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    double post
     
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    You know that is a very different situation than someone learning some songs that someone else picked out and singing them in a group. That is done all the time with children in church around the world.

    However Baptist churches all the time across America allow men to be paid a salary as a pastor and preach in church and they have never discipled anyone.

    When I was in seminary there was a new college graduate in one of my classes studying to do ministry. She had graduated from an SBC college, never given her testimony and had never shared her faith by that time. Her dad was an ordained deacon at her home church. That is a sad commentary on her dad, church, and college.
     
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