would you feel safer..........

Well, Oregon, for example, could do with more than one single trooper patrolling its beaches. If I was a terrorist, I'd land there without any difficulties with my nukes and bombs, and terrorist teams.

Corinne

 

A bit late. If pulling out of Iraq would make you feel safer, why go there in the first place, as the "safety" of America was the main motivation for going to Iraq?

Corinne

 

Er... Texas is far from a guerrilla war involving the kind of rebels the Americans fought against in Falujah...And killing these rebels in Iraq does little for finding Ben Laden and preventing him from sending terrorists to America.

Corinne

 

We got four years to find out how much theory there is to these conspiracies Dragoon68. Time will tell.

Patriot Act II still needs to be implemented and then Patriot Act III will be introduced. The 9/11 Commission Implementation Act will probably be passed in the next few days, without being fully read or understood by congress just as the first Patriot Act was.

 

Watch for this name in the near future. Markus Wolf

I'm posting this, not so much to "prove" anything here...it's more of a point of reference I suppose.

I'm guessing that most folks will roll their eyes and want to tell me how looney this article is. That's understandable. It's tough to believe.

Here's an interview with Markus Wolf on CNN. CNN Interview.

Should be interesting to follow this name in the news.

 

What makes you people think you are safe NOW?

please do not think that this President has mad us safe. I see very clearly that everyone has fallen into the Hollywood Style Terrorist Trap. Think about it!

Ron.

 

Not everyone Ron.

 

I stand corrected!

Ron

 

I might "feel" safer, but that doesn't mean we'd automatically "be" safer. Regardless of one's views on Iraq and/or border control, there's such a thing as a false sense of security.

 

Very true, Johnv...You'd think we would have learned from the Sept 11th attacks.

 

I don't like everything about the recent "anti terrorism" laws. Generally speaking I don't like any laws that could be misused by the government and there's always a danger of that. I don't really "trust" the government. I prefer that citizens be equipped to take care of themselves first. As wild as it may seem, I'd rather the government issue every citizen a weapon when boarding an aircraft than searching them for finger nail clippers and pocket knives. I'm serious! We've created yet another large bureaucracy than will continue to expand as each step it takes is countered by a more cleaver enemy. They will soon desire to expand into other forms of transportation. On the other hand, we have evolved such a liberal judicial system that it's difficult to actually enforce the laws we have. Also, I'm afraid many people have become completely dependent upon the government for their personal safety and their clamoring for action leads to reactionary legislation. Never the less, this isn't some kind of conspiracy but rather, a reaction to the demand to "do something", an inherent liberal belief that people can't be trusted, and a fear of "offending" some people by coming down hard on real problems.

I am very disappointed that the most recent Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act has had much of its tough language dealing with illegal immigration stripped away by the Senate. Illegal immigration and terrorism are not the same problem but I certainly do understand that serious weaknesses in our immigration law and enforcement thereof make it easier for terrorist, who may also be in this country illegally, to move around freely and get easier access to critical resources. We should come down hard on that problem.

Patrick

 

I know how you feel. I wish the government would allow American citizens living on the borders to patrol and protect their own property.

Unfortunately if any try they are labeled as radical something or others and in some cases such as in Arizonia and South Texas are arrested on the governors signature under the Patriot Act such is the case of Casey Nethercott.

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The governor's signature isn't required. Neither is a search. Under the Patriot Act the FBI broke into a friend a mine's place and smashed it up because they saw him TALKING to a suspicious person. Later, they sent him a letter saying they were SORRY about the mistake and that because they had sent that letter he couldn't take any action against them such as requiring them to fix up his home. This isn't in NAZI Germany, yet. It's in America, the home of the free.

 

What can I say StraightandNarrow? If it isn't in the news it doesnt exist or it's a conspiracy theory. I love those words. I've had them thrown at me a time or two here.

I find it comical in a sad kind of way though. Comical in the sense that the people who use it most often are the ones that rarely if ever put forth any supporting evidence to defend their views. More than likley they will use what I call the the "laugh and label" technique. If they can laugh at you and use ridicule it may cause you to say somthing stupid and therefore "prove" their point. I admit I've taken the bait on more than one occasion. It's just a play on emotions and proves nothing. These are the ones that absolutely will not look at any evidence you present and if they do they'll pick out some random thing on the site you linked to and start making assumptions that you agree with everything on the site. I've never been to a site that I have agreed with everything. Personally.

I suspect that deep down these folks know they haven't a leg to stand on as far as real evidence goes, especially as it pertains to the current administration and 9/11 where those 19 hijackers were convicted on the miracle of the passport falling from heaven and being picked up on the ground after two giant planes hit the towers, burst into flames and supposedly caused the colapse of tens of thousands of tons of steel concrete and glass that was designed to take the impact of even larger craft. What are the odds of that passport reaching the ground and not being buried by tons of rubble? Astronomical I would think but there it was just laying there on top easy to find considering where it had supposed been and what it would have went through. They will completely reject the idea of foreknowledge or complicity on the part of "the government" despite the ever abundant and growing body of evidence. It just doesn't make sense. Why would our government either knowingly not try to stop the attacks or even more unbelievable have a hand in it? The answer is quite simple, power and control thats what all men in power want. History tells that story.

Then there is always the "ice cream close" or which flavor do you prefer? This technique is a basic in sales it attempts to limit your choices to just two. Would you rather have the Patriot Act or your house blown up. Probably not the best example but it's all can think of at the moment.

Often they will point out that nearly 3000 people were killed on 9/11 which is a fact and a very sad and regretable fact. The technique itself attempts to paint you as uncareing and or insensitive to other people's suffering which would put them in a better light so to speak than you, that insenitive ogre. Of course they have no idea how you feel about the loss of innocent life in a violent manner. Maybe it just gives them a sense of personal power over you I don't know.
It does play on sympathy and emotions and also changes the subject. Quite easily. Neither helps in an honest investigation into the facts.

There is more I could into tonight but it's late and need to get to bed.

I could go into the Patriot vs the non Patriot thing. Your considered a non patriot or even some kind of traitor or even worse a "steeeenking liberal" if you do not support the war in Iraq or everything that congress passes in the name of fighting terrorism. I guess this is part of the "laugh and label" or another play on emotions maybe or even an attempt to prove their superiority over you just a mix of everything maybe.

To me patriotism is loving your country, loving your fellow countrymen and keeping a close eye on the government. Just taking orders and following the leader is dangerous to liberty as far as I'm concerned.

Americans, fight for freedom not for a leader or a flag and were does our liberty come from? The Constitution and Bill of rights not from congress not from the President or even the attorney general. Then again we don't care about losing liberty as long as were safe liitle sheep in the care of our government.

Something to consider

Apologies for mis-spelling.