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Would you want this person as VP or POTUS?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles New Member

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    Would you want a VP or President who believed:
    • First Amendment speech and press rights may also be subordinated to the overriding need to wage war successfully.
    • That the federal government can send troops to burst into the homes of American citizens without a search warrant, despite the Fourth Amendment's protection against such unreasonable searches.
    • That believes that the federal government has the right to arrest an American citizen on American soil and hold him in prison without charges.
    • That believes that the federal government can listen in on your phone conversations without a court order.
    • That believes that the federal government can commit torture, despite laws and treaties making torture a crime.
    Guess what? We already have had a VP who embraced these authoritarian and totalitarian ideals. More has come out about Dick Cheney. More HERE. I have no doubt some will embrace such unAmerican positions, but to me this was a grave threat to the liberty our brave military personnel have fought and often died to preserve. This is also not meant to trigger a partisan fight. Any freedom loving American should be appaled by this.
     
  2. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>

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    Isn't Obama waging a war with Rush Limbaugh ? Continuing the "Patriot Act ? Continuing rendition ?

    Didn't Clinton illegally tap John Gotti's phone ? And what about WACO ?

    Didn't FDR throw reporters in jail ?

    Yeah, you don't want to start a partisan fight, so don't be partisan. Cheney is only stupid enough to be honest.
     
  3. JustChristian

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    Bush supported these ideas as well and fully supported passing Patriot Acts 1 and 2 that made then law.
     
  4. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    Biden voted for the Patriot Act as well.


    Oh yeah...Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act as well!
     
  5. OldRegular

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    You picked a poor source in Paul Begala.
     
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  8. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry <b>Moderator</b>

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    Yes, this was always done through American history, as the need for the safety of the troops demanded it.

    This is already done in some cases, and always has been. If the government believes that people are in imminent danger, they can break in. Posse Comitatis means that federal troops can't do it, I believe.

    This is already done as well, though not for extended periods of time.

    No real problem here.

    Depending on what you mean by torture, yes. The government has a responsibility to protect life. It is one of hte most fundamental human rights.

    That's not new. These positions have been held by presidents, vice-presidents (including the current ones) for decades as the situation warranted it.

    If you don't value our freedom enough to defend it by all means necessary, then go somewhere else to live. But don't complain about those who like our freedoms enough to defend them against terrorist who would hide out under the guise of freedom.

    Our brave military has fought for more than two centuries to give us these freedoms, and now you want to give them away to terrorists who abuse them. I disagree and I think most Americans would.
     
  9. Magnetic Poles

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    All I can say is thank God not everyone thinks this way. To quote Ben Franklin, "Those who would trade essential liberty for security deserve neither liberty, nor security."
     
  10. Pastor Larry

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    If you like living in a country of fear, try Palestine. That's what you get when you have no protections of liberty.

    I am not talking about trading liberty for security. You made that up. I am talking about preserving liberty. As I pointed out, everything you mentioned has been done throughout American history.

    And Ben Franklin wasn't always right.
     
  11. donnA

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    Some people are confused. Bush/Chaney are no longer in office, but I keep seeing people all over the board act as if they are, can't we at least be some sort of current, or are we going to keep living in the past, ignoring the present, making excuses for it based on the past. Good grief, lets move forward, not backwards. You attack peoples politics when it matters, when they run for office, when they are in office, not when their done and no longer hold any public office, then it becomes personal attacks with no political meaning what so ever. Grow up and move on, while people are busy attacking the formers, they are letting the current by with a pass.
     
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  12. Robert Snow

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    No wonder our churches are in the state they are in with pastors like these in the pulpits. How truly sad!
     
  13. LadyEagle

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    He also said:

    "When the well's dry, we know the worth of water."
    "Love your neighbor, but don’t pull down your hedge."
    "Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead."
     
  14. tinytim

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    LE.. Clear your PMs.. I tried to send you one, and your box is full.
     
  15. LadyEagle

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    Thanks, done. :)
     
  16. JustChristian

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    The real problem was that Bush said that the War on Terror would continue forever. These constitutional rights would be forever lost to us without any proof that they were making us any safer.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Ben Franklin
     
  17. Bro. Curtis

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    So you are against Obama continuing those ploicies ?
     
  18. Pastor Larry

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    I don't recall him saying that. I think he said it would be a long war.

    We haven't really given up any consitutional rights, and we haven't had any more attacks of any significance at all.
     
  19. SeekingTruth

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    As you are so fond of saying, provide proof please.
     
  20. OldRegular

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    That is a lie. President Bush warned the country after 9/11 that the War on Terror would last an extended period.
     
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