Featured Wrestling Scriptures ( Joshua 10:26)

Correct, Evening marks the beginning of a day. "Evening" in the Bible, is a day's beginning hour(s). It necessarily means a day had begun. Thus the "evening" tells you the day before HAD HAD PASSED and IS <<past>> never to return, nothing further ever to happen on it "SINCE EVENING HAD COME BECAUSE the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath had begun ALREADY."

For about three years before 1987 the Bible Translation Committee determined they WILL follow the NIV in the Nuwe Afrikaanse Bybel in Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57, despite my protestations.

For thirty about years now after, they lived with their CORRUPTION. But being honest Christians, in 2014 in the Direct Translation of our Afrikaans Bible, they RETURNED to the 1933 translation's TRUE rendering, and ---on WHO KNOWS WHOSE insistence--- IMPROVED and faithfully included 'ehdeh' - "already". God alone give thanks! character and honesty prevailed.

I only wish others elsewhere would follow suit.

 

Says who?

Says Vook.

It's so easy just to claim <<BY dusk as evident from Joshua and ALL JJewish history attests>> but don't do nothing about it.

Why bother? It's very difficult --impossible-- to bring that up here.

So why not take the easy route, THE SCRIPTURES?

Come on, bring them where it says <<Bodies MUST be removed BY dusk>>>!

Do you really think I am such a fool as to swallow your fitterjoel and glass splinters for survival? We have a history of people like you in South Africa!

 

So <irrelevant> the Jews had to "BEG" Pilate to have the Roman rules waved to allow the Jews better opportunity to have things prolonged THEIR MORE SATANIC WAY in the burning trash heap of the unholy city!

But Vooks considers them Jews too goodhearted saints to have a body hang on a cross any longer than three hours. Shame...

 

Insane gibberish....

 

I did not say <<begged for the body>>. Are you Pseudo Shadrach? You sound like him and look like him and smell like him!

 

Another priceless post from Vook. PRICELESS!!!

 

Who said it was Joseph who <<begged>>?

It was one Vook who said so.

Right?

Right!

Now, who dares me here to <<<Show ... where Jews 'begged'>>>?

It is one Vook who dares me.

So, you asked for it; now you will have it:

John 19:38, "Joseph BEGGED Pilate" --- 'Iohsehph EHROHTEHSEN ton Pilaton';

John 19:31, "The Jews BESOUGHT Pilate" --- 'hoi Ioudaioi EHROHTEHSAN ton Pilaton'.

 

O my golly, there's more of him! Hemele behoede ons!

 

That is more civilized...

Alright, I'll oblige.

Mark 4:35,
Kai legei (ho Iehsous) autois (tois mathehtois) en ekeinehi tehi hehmerai opsias genomenehs: Dielthohmen k.t.l.

Literally:

And He (Jesus) says to them (disciples) on that day evening having come: Let us go over ... etc.

What do you want to know more? There is nothing you need to know, more.

On that day ('the same day' if you like), "BECAUSE evening had come" and it had become "ON THAT DAY, Jesus told them that they must cross the sea to the other side.

"BECAUSE" yes! because "BECAUSE" is contained in the Participle 'genomenehs' of the phrase, 'opsias genomenehs'.

What else can I tell you? I think I have told you everything that can be inferred from this text as far as chronology is concerned.

PS

I forgot about this,
<<<numerous scriptures showing you that if [Sic. I assume you meant <evening>] does not NECESSARILY>>>, <<<is 'evening'>>>, or, <<<means a day had begun>>>.

It necessarily does mean both.
The Greek word for "(the) evening" in the New Testament is '(heh) opsia' and is used 14 times without exception for time of day after sunset more or less until completely dark.

And you'll find exactly the same meaning in e.g., the LXX and or wherever.

 

No sir; the Jews begged/requested acceleration of their deaths so the crucified would not remain hanging alive or HOWEVER!

--- NOT <into> as you say, but “on the sabbath” as John wrote;
--- NOT <<which was hours away>> as you say, but as John wrote, “since / because [‘gar’] that same day”
---<<SAME day>> as you have just above yourself argued re Mark 4:35
--- “since / because that same day WAS (Imperfect Ongoing) great day-sabbath-of” the passover and
---<<they would not have hanging bodies>> AT ALL— especially not when day would break and the crosses would be standing there in everybody’s sight.

Don’t add the words YOU need for your own story; stick to the words you NEED for the truth which are the words WRITTEN.

 

I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth by adding to what I wrote.

If we are not allowed to account for the historical practices of Rome (or any other culture) when studying the scriptures, then we severely limit our ability to understand why certain things took place. I'm all for scripture being the final authority, but knowledge of history can enhance our understanding of scripture (though we still need the Holy Spirit to revelate our minds).

But you have this strange tendency to take scripture and twist it and bend it as far as you can to fit whatever your notion of the day is. You excel at eisegesis.

 

"No servile work" was to be done on festive 'sabbaths'.

The passover's 'sabbath' had VERY MUCH commanded to be done on it.

Traditions of men are not commandment of the Scriptures.


And: Who said << if he died well into Sabbath>>? ...don't become totally ludicrous!