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You Cannot Honestly Say

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by InTheLight, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member

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    A frequent poster has stated:

    I'd like to ask Mak why a person "cannot honestly say" these things?
     
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    i can honestly say it, as I believe GOD preserved ALL the Scriptural mss available today, as well as some that haven't come to modern light yet.
     
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    Revmitchell Well-Known Member

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    Now why in the world would you intentionally stir that thing up?
     
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    There are those who tried to corrupt the word thru their translations.
     
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    Rippon Well-Known Member

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    Now there is no need to bad-mouth the KJV.
     
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    I am so grateful to God that He has chosen to not allow us to have the original autographs but instead imperfect copies of it. It challenges us to work hard to bring His Word to the people. We don't just toss it around but instead learn to study it, to learn about language and how it is passed on, about the various areas of the world and what was going on at the time to know why something might have changed. I thank Him for giving us His Word of life in the varying Bible versions that we have - that might be worded a little differently but that all still clearly point to the same God, the same Giver of Life, the same Savior, the same Spirit that can indwell in us when we believe on Him and the same guidelines and rules for life and our walk with Him. He is so good!
     
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    I don't need a perfect English translation, but I do need a perfect saviour!
     
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    Because all do not completely agree with all the others. The amazing thing is how well they do stand together even though there are thousands of translations.

    The inerrant folk, at least the really honest ones, say that only the original manuscripts were without error ... and no one has an original manuscript. So it is an article of faith, not a proven fact. I am very comfortable with that. Are you?
     
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    KJV But foolish and unlearned questions avoid,
    knowing that they do gender strifes.
     
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    It is not a foolish nor unlearned question to ask a poster to explain his assertions or claims that would in effect attack and smear the honesty of the makers of the KJV if applied consistently.

    Were the makers of the KJV honest according to a consistent application of the claims made by makahiya117?

    In the preface to the 1611 edition of the KJV, entitled "The Translators to the Reader," Miles Smith wrote: “If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New.“

    According to its title page for the New Testament, the 1611 KJV's New Testament was "newly translated out of the original Greek." The first rule for the translating referred to “the truth of the original.“ The sixth rule and fifteen rule referred to “Hebrew” and to “Greek.“

    Lancelot Andrewes, a KJV translator, wrote: "Look to the original, as, for the New Testament, the Greek text; for the Old, the Hebrew" (Pattern of Catechistical Doctrine, p. 59).

    John Eadie noted that the account of the Hampton Court conference written by Patrick Galloway, the king’s Scottish chaplain, [“an account revised by the king himself”] stated “that a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek” (English Bible, II, p. 179).
     
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    Where do the Scriptures state or teach that any translation made after the completion of the giving of the New Testament can be claimed to be directly given by inspiration of God?
     
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    That reads like a script for Yoda. Try this:

    Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. NIV
     
  13. Yeshua1

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    They cannot find ANY passage in the bible to support that notion, unlike what most radical KJVO assumed!
     
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    KJV Thou therefore which teachest another,
    teachest thou not thyself ?
     
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    KJV Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
    but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
    and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
    for instruction in righteousness,
     
  16. InTheLight

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    John 11:35
    JESUS WEPT

    KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, CEV, ESV, WEB, RSV, ASV, HCSB, NCV, NLT, NRSV
     
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    I guess you missed that "All" part, huh?
     
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    According to your own posts, are you the one that attempts to teach others before you have learned the truth yourself?
     
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    No mention of the word translation or KJV in that verse.

    If you are trying to claim that the word "scripture" means "translation" or includes "translations," you have the serious problem with the word "all" since you have denied that ALL translations are given by inspiration of God.

    Are you trying to contradict yourself?
     
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