You may know (absolutely) ye have eternal life

HP: When God chastises a believer He is bringing it up to our attention again. How can they be buried in the depths of the sea, and yet God not only remembers that for which He is chastising one for, but is bringing the issue(s) to the forefront of our minds as well.

Your position is self-contradictory DHK. You have stated that God never brings up sin that you also tell us that He remembers. You cannot have it both ways. Does He remember that which He has stated is forgotten? If He has forgotten, He cannot chastise one for it, for that would be at antipodes with His promise to forget, would it not?

 

No, not at all.
The one has to do with salvation; the other has to do with sanctification.
The one has to do with an unsaved person coming to Christ; the other has to do with the chastisement of a believer.
The one has to do with a child of the devil; the other with a child of God.

Unless you understand and accept the doctrine of eternal security you will foever be confused.

 

HP: So what? If the OP would have been started my myself, and I had posted the other passages, how would it be wrong or unfair for you or others to present other passages that need to be addressed on the issue? I think not.

Proper interpretation always is about harmonization of texts, not the lifting of ones favorite proof text above all other relevant texts as you and DHK seem bent on doing here.

 

Steaver, are you a pastor or teacher? If not, you should be. Great post. :thumbs:

 

Amen! We all come to Jesus empty handed. What could I possibly have to offer the King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Nothing but my filthy rags.

Thank you :jesus:

 

HP: Certainly our salvation is not merited by anything we can do or will do. That does not negate the fact that Jesus said that there are some things that man must do to inherit eternal life, without which no man shall see God. Exercising faith and repentance are two of those things and remaining faithful to the end in obedience is another.

“Cleanse your hands ye sinners, purify your hearts ye double minded’ is a Scriptural command to establish and maintain a right relationship with God. Yes man is involved in his salvation, NOT by doing anything meritorious, but rather by fulfilling the conditions He has stated in His Word man must do and keep on doing in this present world to inherit eternal life in the end, without which no man shall see God.

 

HP: One could start by offering to God spiritual sacrifices, which are no filthy rags in the sight of God. 1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

Your righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord. You have nothing to offer in return for salvation. Spiritual sacrifices can only be offered by a justified, saved child of God.

 

Amy: Your righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord. You have nothing to offer in return for salvation. Spiritual sacrifices can only be offered by a justified, saved child of God.

HP: I thought you were saved? I certainly entertain a hope of eternal life. Would it be OK for us as believers (for that is who this passage is directed is it not?) to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God just as commanded and as my comments were specifically directed to?

 

HP: Holiness is not an option. Either one will be holy or deception as to ones salvation is the only other alternative. “Without holiness, no man shall see God.” Holiness is indeed a condition of eternal life. That by the way is God linking it to eternal life, not myself or my rhetoric as you falsely state. There happens to be a gulf fixed between holiness and sinning, between a heart fixed on obedience to God and one that is double minded and unstable.

HP: Please show us what is not in harmony. Your simply stating that it is not in harmony is mere ‘rhetoric’ to use words that you seem to understand well.:wavey:

HP: Just more rhetoric without substance. Oh well, whats new?

 

Double post. Sorry.

 

And I thought you said you did not ever question a person's relationship with God, but I obviously was mistaken.

Or was I? Since I know my memory is not all it once was, I better check, just to be sure.

Yep, I found it!!

(All emphases are mine, and actual names are deleted from other post. - Ed)

Your words, not mine.

And your 'questioning' comment does question the relationship with God, of another poster!

What I posted is fact; not an attack.

Ed

 

HP: You are twisting the intents in which I wrote that comment, and as such it is an unwarranted attack. I was not questioning her salvation by any stretch of the imagination Ed. I was simply bringing to her attention that SHE IS a professing believer, therefore she can indeed offer spiritual sacrifices! You need to read the comments I was referring to before you make such an unfounded accusation. You are exhibiting an unusual love of unwarranted animosity Ed that this board could do without.

 

HP: Then why do you respond? Please do not waste your time with posts you feel do not warrant a response. I would hate to be responsible for wasting your time.