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    Tuor,

    Let's establish first the sovereignty of God. Please read them carefully. Perhaps you will come to see that all things are possible with God. I hope so.

    The Sovereignty of God
    compiled by
    David Sprenger

    Matthew 10:29
    Not one of them [sparrows] will fall to the ground apart from your Father.

    Matthew 11:25-27
    Nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

    Matthew 13:11
    To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

    Matthew 15:13
    Every plant which my heavenly Father did not plant shall be rooted up.

    Matthew 18:14
    Thus it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

    Matthew 19:11
    Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.

    Matthew 19:26
    With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

    Matthew 20:23
    This is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.

    Matthew 22:14
    For many are called, but few are chosen.

    Matthew 24:22
    But for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut short.

    Matthew 26:54
    How then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen this way.

    Mark 4:10-12
    To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables.... lest they return again and be forgiven.

    Mark 13:20
    But for the sake of the elect whom He chose, He shortened the days.

    Luke 8:10
    To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables; in order that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.

    Luke 10:21-22
    No one knows who the Father is except the Son...and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

    Luke 18:27
    The things impossible with men are possible with God.

    Luke 20:38
    For all live to Him.

    John 1:12-13
    Who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of [the will of] God.

    John 3:27
    A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven.

    John 5:21
    The Son also gives life to whom He wishes [Greek: wills]

    John 5:25
    The dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear shall live.

    John 6:37
    All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me.

    John 6:39
    And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing....

    John 6:44
    No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.

    John 6:65
    For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.

    John 8:36
    If therefore the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

    John 8:43
    Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

    John 10:16
    I must bring them also, and they shall hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd.

    John 10:27-28
    And I give eternal life to them [my sheep], and they shall never perish and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.

    John 11:43
    He cried out with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth." He who had died came forth....

    John 12:32
    And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.

    John 12:39-40
    For this cause they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, "He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart; lest they see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted, and I heal them."

    John 13:18
    I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen.

    John 15:16
    You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain.

    John 17:2
    Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give eternal life.

    John 17:6
    I manifested Thy name to the men whom Thou gavest Me out of the world.

    John 17:9
    I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom Thou hast given Me; for they are Thine.

    John 19:11
    You would have no authority over me, unless it had been given you from above.

    Acts 1:16
    Brethren, the scripture had to be fulfilled....

    Acts 2:23
    This Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and the foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men....

    Acts 2:39
    For the promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself.

    Acts 3:26
    ...and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.

    Acts 4:28
    To do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur.

    Acts 5:31
    ...a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Acts 9:15
    For he [Paul] is a chosen instrument of Mine to bear My name before the Gentiles....

    Acts 10:40-41
    God raised Him up on the third day, and granted that He should become visible, not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God.

    Acts 11:18
    God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.

    Acts 13:48
    And as many as had been appointed [ordained] to eternal life believed.

    Acts 16:14
    ...and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.

    Acts 17:26-28
    And He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation...for in Him we live and move and are [have our being].

    Acts 18:27
    And when he [Paul] had arrived, he helped greatly those who had believed through grace.

    Acts 22:14
    The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

    Romans 3:23-24
    For all have sinned and fall short [Greek present tense: are sinning and falling short] of the glory of God, being justified [Greek present passive] as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.

    Romans 4:17
    ...Even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

    Romans 5:6
    For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

    Romans 5:8
    But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Romans 5:10
    For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Romans 5:15
    But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one [Adam] the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

    Romans 5:18
    So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

    Romans 5:19
    For as through the one man's [Adam's] disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

    Romans 5:20
    And the law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more.

    Romans 8:20-21
    For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

    Romans 8:29
    For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren;

    Romans 8:30
    And whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

    Romans 8:31
    What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us who is against us?

    Romans 8:33
    Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies.

    Romans 9:11
    For though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, in order that God's purpose according to His choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who calls...

    Romans 9:16
    So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

    Romans 9:18
    So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

    Romans 9:19
    You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?

    Romans 9:20
    On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

    Romans 9:21
    Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor?

    Romans 9:22
    What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

    Romans 9:23
    In order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,

    Romans 9:24
    ...even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

    Romans 9:27
    And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved.

    Romans 11:5
    In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice [Lit., God's choice of grace.]

    Romans 11:26
    And thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, and He will remove ungodliness from Jacob."

    Romans 11:27
    "And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins."

    Romans 11:28
    From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

    Romans 11:29
    ...for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

    Romans 11:32
    For God has shut up all men in disobedience that He may show mercy to all.

    Romans 11:33
    Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgements and unfathomable His ways!

    Romans 11:36
    For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

    Romans 14:4
    Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own lord he stands or falls; and stand he will, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

    1 Corinthians 1:1
    Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God....

    1 Corinthians 1:27
    But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise....

    1 Corinthians 1:29
    ...that no man should boast before God.

    1 Corinthians 1:30
    But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus....

    1 Corinthians 4:7
    For who regards you as superior? And what do you have that you did not receive?

    1 Corinthians 12:11
    But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

    1 Corinthians 15:10
    But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

    2 Corinthians 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God....

    2 Corinthians 5:17-18
    Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold new things have come. Now all these things are from God who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation....

    2 Corinthians 8:5
    ...But they [the saints] first gave themselves to the Lord and to us by the will of God.

    Galatians 1:4
    Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father.

    Galatians 1:15-16
    But when He who had set me apart from my mother's womb, and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me....

    Galatians 4:9
    But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God.

    Galatians 5:1
    It was for freedom that Christ set us free....

    Ephesians 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God....

    Ephesians 1:4
    Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world....

    Ephesians 1:5-6
    He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace....

    Ephesians 1:9-10
    Making known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Him....with a view to....the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth.

    Ephesians 1:11
    In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will.

    Ephesians 2:4-5
    But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved).

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.

    Ephesians 2:10
    For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    Ephesians 3:11
    This was in accordance with the eternal purpose [Lit., purpose of the ages] which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Ephesians 4:6
    One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

    Ephesians 4:10
    He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

    Philippians 1:6
    For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

    Philippians 1:29
    For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake.

    Philippians 2:9-11
    Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Philippians 2:12-13
    Work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

    Philippians 3:21
    Who will transform our lowly body into conformity with His glorious body, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

    Colossians 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God....

    Colossians 1:13
    For He delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son of His love.

    Colossians 1:15
    And He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of [Greek,protokos: prior to and sovereign over] all creation.

    Colossians 1:16-18
    For in Him all things were created....all things have been created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together....so that He Himself might come to have first place [i.e., pre-eminence] in all things.

    Colossians 1:19-20
    For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fulness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

    Colossians 2:13
    And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.

    Colossians 3:11
    ...But Christ is all, and in all.

    1 Thessalonians 1:4
    Knowing, brethren beloved by God, His choice of you;

    1 Thessalonians 5:9
    For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Thessalonians 5:24
    Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.

    2 Thessalonians 2:13
    God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

    1 Timothy 1:1
    Paul an apostle of Christ Jesus according to the command of God our Savior....

    1 Timothy 1:13-14
    Even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. And yet I was shown mercy, because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus.

    1 Timothy 2:4
    ...Who desires [Greek/K.J.: who will have] all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    1 Timothy 4:10
    For it is this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially [Greek, malista: most of all] of believers.

    2 Timothy 1:1
    Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God....

    2 Timothy 1:9
    Who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity.

    2 Timothy 2:25
    With gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,

    2 Timothy 2:26
    And they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

    2 Timothy 4:18
    The Lord will deliver me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

    Titus 1:1
    Paul, a bond-servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God....

    Titus 2:11
    For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.

    Titus 3:5
    He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy....

    Hebrews 2:8
    Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in subjecting all things to Him, He left nothing that is not subject to Him.

    Hebrews 2:9
    ...That by the grace of God He might taste death for every one.

    Hebrews 6:17
    In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath.

    Hebrews 8:8-12
    "Behold days are coming", says the Lord, "when I will effect a new covenant....I will put my laws into their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be My people....for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." [Ed., The new covenant prophesied by Jeremiah]

    Hebrews 9:26
    Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the completion of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

    James 1:18
    In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we might be, as it were, the first fruits among His creatures.

    1 Peter 1:1
    Peter...to those...who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father....

    1 Peter 1:3
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.

    1 Peter 2:9
    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the exellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

    1 Peter 3:9
    For you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.

    1 Peter 3:18
    For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

    1 Peter 4:6
    For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead [i.e., the disobedient spirits in prison from the days of Noah- Pet 3:18-20], that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.

    1 Peter 5:10
    And after you have suffered for a little, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.

    1 Peter 5:12
    ...I have written to you briefly, exhorting and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it!

    2 Peter 1:10
    Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you;

    2 Peter 3:9
    The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not purposing [Greek, boulema: resolving (Ed., as opposed to wishing or desiring)] for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

    1 John 4:14
    And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

    Jude 1:1
    Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ.

    Jude 1:24
    Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy....

    Revelation 5:13
    And every created thing [Greek: every creature] which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying [i.e., worshiping], "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

    Revelation 13:8
    And all who dwell on the earth will worship him [the beast], every one whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

    Revelation 15:3-4
    Great and marvelous are Thy works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Thy ways, Thou King of the nations. Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? [Ed., the answer implied is none] For Thou alone art holy; For all the nations will come and worship before Thee, for Thy righteous acts have been revealed."

    Revelation 17:17
    For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God should be fulfilled.

    Revelation 22:13
    I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

    Genesis 1:1
    In the beginning [literally: in beginnings] God created the heavens and the earth.

    Genesis 1:31
    And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.

    Genesis 12:3
    And in you [Abraham] all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

    Genesis 50:20
    And as for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.

    Exodus 4:11
    And the Lord said to him [Moses], "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?"

    Exodus 10:1-2
    Then the Lord said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may perform these signs of Mine among them...that you may know that I am the Lord."

    Numbers 14:20-21
    So the Lord said, "I have pardoned them according to your word [Ed., Moses is represented here as a foretype of Christ]; but indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord."

    Deuteronomy 2:30
    For the Lord your God hardened his [Pharoah's] spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today."

    Deuteronomy 7:6
    For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

    Deuteronomy 7:7-8
    The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but because the Lord loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers....

    Deuteronomy 9:6
    Know then, it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stubborn people.

    Deuteronomy 9:24
    You have been rebellious against the Lord from the day I knew you.

    Deuteronomy 9:29
    Yet they are Thy people, even Thine inheritance whom Thou hast brought out by Thy great power and Thine outstretched arm.

    Deuteronomy 18:5
    For the Lord your God has chosen him and his sons [the Levites] from all your tribes, to stand and serve in the name of the Lord forever.

    Deuteronomy 29:4-6
    Yet to this day the Lord has not given you a heart to know, nor eyes to see, nor ears to hear. Yet I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandal has not worn out on your foot. You have not eaten bread, nor have you drunk wine or strong drink, in order that you might know that I am the Lord your God.

    Deuteronomy 30:6
    Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, in order that you may live.

    Deuteronomy 32:39
    See now that I, I am He, and there is no god besides Me; it is I who puts to death and gives life. I have wounded, and it is I who heals; and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

    1 Samuel 2:6-7
    The Lord kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up. The Lord makes poor and rich; He brings low, He also exalts.

    1 Samuel 12:22
    For the Lord will not abandon His people on account of His great name, because the Lord has been pleased to make you a people for Himself.

    2 Samuel 8:2
    And he [David] defeated Moab, and measured them with the line, making them lie down on the ground; and he measured two lines to put to death and one full line to keep alive. And the Moabites became servants to David, bringing tribute. [Ed., A foretype of God's choice and election]

    2 Chronicles 18:33
    And a certain man drew his bow at random [?!] and struck the king of Israel in a joint of the armor....And the battle raged that day...and at sunset he died.

    2 Chronicles 20:6
    Power and might are in Thy hand so that no one can stand against Thee.

    2 Chronicles 29:11
    My sons [the Levites], do not be negligent now, for the Lord has chosen you to stand before Him, to minister to Him, and to be His ministers and burn incense.

    Ezra 1:1
    Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he sent a proclamation throughout all his kingdom...

    Nehemiah 11:1-2
    Now the leaders of the people lived in Jerusalem, but the rest of the people cast lots to bring one out of ten to live in Jerusalem, the holy city, while nine-tenths remained in the other cities. And the people blessed all the men who volunteered to live in Jerusalem. [Ed., The Lord chooses; then you volunteer!]

    Esther 4:14
    For if you [Esther] remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place and you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not attained royalty for such a time as this?

    Job 1:1
    And Job said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I shall return there. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord."

    Job 23:13-14
    But He is unique and who can turn Him? And what His soul desires, that He does. For He performs what is appointed for me, and many such decrees are with Him.

    Job 42:2
    I know that Thou canst do all things, and that no purpose of Thine can be thwarted.

    Psalms 16:6
    The lines have fallen to me in pleasant places; Indeed, my heritage is beautiful to me.

    Psalms 22:9-10
    Yet Thou art He who didst bring me forth from the womb; Thou didst make me trust when upon my mother's breasts. Upon Thee I was cast from birth; Thou hast been my God from my mother's womb.

    Psalms 22:27-28
    All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will worship before Thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's, and He rules over the nations.

    Psalms 22:29
    All the fat ones [lit. proud ones] of the earth will eat and worship. All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, even he who cannot keep his soul alive.

    Psalms 33:12
    Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom He has chosen for His own inheritance.

    Psalms 33:15
    He who fashions the hearts of them all, He who understands all their works.

    Psalms 57:2
    I will cry to God Most High, to God who accomplishes all things for me.

    Psalms 65:2
    To Thee all men (lit., all flesh) come.

    Psalms 66:4
    All the earth will worship Thee, and will sing praises to Thee; They will sing praises to Thy name.

    Psalms 65:4
    How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee.

    Psalms 67:2,7
    That Thy way may be known on the earth, Thy salvation among all nations. God blesses us, that all the ends of the earth may fear Him.

    Psalms 68:18
    Thou hast ascended on high, Thou hast led captive Thy captives; Thou hast received gifts among men, even among the rebellious also, that the Lord God may dwell there.

    Psalms 72:11,19
    And let all kings bow down before him, all nations serve Him...And may the whole earth be filled with His glory. Amen, and Amen.

    Psalms 75:7
    But God is the Judge; He puts down one, and exalts another.

    Psalms 86:9
    All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; and they shall glorify Thy name.

    Psalms 100:3
    Know that the Lord Himself is God; it is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; we are His people and the sheep of His pasture.

    Psalms 103:9,10
    He will not always strive with us; nor will He keep his anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

    Psalms 103:19
    The Lord has established His throne in the heavens; and His sovereignty rules over all.

    Psalms 115:3
    But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases.

    Psalms 127:1
    Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it. Unless the Lord guards the city, the watchman keeps awake in vain.

    Psalms 130:8
    And He will redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

    Ps 135:6
    Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, in heaven and in earth, in seas and in all deePsalms

    Ps 138:4
    All the kings of the earth will give thanks to Thee, O Lord, when they have heard the words of Thy mouth. And they will sing of the ways of the Lord.

    Psalms 138:8
    The Lord will accomplish what concerns me.

    Psalms 139:7-12
    Where can I go from Thy Spirit? Or where can I flee from Thy presence?

    Psalms 139:16
    Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Thy book they were all written, the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them.

    Psalms 145:9
    The Lord is good to all, and His mercies are over all His works.

    Psalms 145:10
    All Thy works shall give thanks to Thee, O Lord, and Thy godly ones shall bless Thee.

    Psalms 145:14
    The Lord sustains all who fall, and raises up all who are bowed down.

    Psalms 145:15
    The eyes of all look to Thee, and Thou dost give them their food in due time.

    Psalms 145:16
    Thou dost open Thy hand, and dost satisfy the desire of every living thing.

    Psalms 145:21
    My mouth will speak the praise of the Lord; and all flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever.

    Psalms 148:8
    Fire and hail, snow and clouds; stormy wind, fulfilling His word.

    Proverbs 16:1
    The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.

    Proverbs 16;4
    The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil.

    Proverbs 16:9
    The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his stePsalms

    Proverbs 16:33
    The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.

    Proverbs 19:21
    Many are the plans in a man's heart, but the counsel of the Lord will be established.

    Proverbs 20:24
    Man's steps are ordained by the Lord; how then can man understand his way?

    Proverbs 21:1
    The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes.

    Proverbs 21:31
    The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but victory belongs to the Lord.

    Eccl. 3:14
    I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear [be in awe] of Him.

    Isaiah 2:2
    In the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it.

    Isaiah 4:3
    And it will come about that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, everyone who is recorded for life in Jerusalem.

    Isaiah 9:7
    There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace...from then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

    Isaiah 10:5-7
    Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger and the staff in whose hands is My indignation. I send it against a godless nation....Yet it does not so intend nor does it plan so in its heart.

    Isaiah 10:15
    Is the axe to boast itself over the one who chops with it? Is the saw to exalt itself over the one who wields it? That would be like a club wielding those who lift it, or like a rod lifting him who is not wood.

    Isaiah 10:22
    For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, only a remnant within them will return; a destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.

    Isaiah 11:9
    They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

    Isaiah 14:24
    The Lord of hosts has sworn saying, "Surely, just as I have intended so it has happened, and just as I have planned so it will stand.

    Isaiah 14:27
    For the Lord of hosts has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?

    Isaiah 19:17
    And the land of Judah will become a terror to Egypt; everyone to whom it is mentioned will be in dread of it, because of the purpose of the Lord of hosts which He is purposing against them.

    Isaiah 22:11
    But you did not depend on Him who made it, nor did you take into consideration Him who planned it long ago.

    Isaiah 23:9
    The Lord of hosts has planned it to defile the pride of all beauty, to despise all the honored of the earth.

    Isaiah 25: 7-8
    And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, and the Lord will wipe tears away from all faces, and He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.

    Isaiah 26:9
    For when the earth experiences Thy judgements, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. Ed., The purpose of judgement is to learn, not burn!]

    Isaiah 26:12
    Lord, Thou wilt establish peace for us, since Thou hast also performed for us all our works,

    Isaiah 27:3
    I, the Lord, am its [the vineyard's] keeper; I water it every moment, lest anyone damage it; I guard it night and day.

    Isaiah 40:5
    Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all flesh will see it together; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

    Isaiah 43:13
    Even from eternity I am He; and there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?

    Isaiah 45:6
    There is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well being and creating calamity [lit.,"ra", evil]. I am the Lord who does all these.

    Isaiah 45:17
    Israel has been saved by the Lord with an everlasting salvation; You will not be put to shame or humiliated to all eternity.

    Isaiah 45:22,23
    Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness and will not turn back, that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

    Isaiah 46:10
    Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, "My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure";

    Isaiah 46:11
    Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.

    Isaiah 48:11
    For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; For how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another.

    Isaiah 53:6
    All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

    Isaiah 54:16
    Behold, I Myself have created the smith who blows the fire of coals, and brings out a weapon for its work; and I have created the destroyer to ruin. No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper.

    Isaiah 55:11
    So shall my word be which goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me empty, without accomplishing what I desire, and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

    Isaiah 57:17,18
    Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him; I hid my face and was angry, and he went on turning away, in the way of his heart. I have seen his ways, but I will heal him; I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners creating the praise of the liPsalms

    Isaiah 60:21
    Then all your people [all Israel] will be righteous; They will possess the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified.

    Isaiah 60:22
    The smallest one will become a clan, and the least one a mighty nation. I, the Lord, will hasten it in its time.

    Isaiah 61:11
    For as the earth brings forth its sprouts, and as a garden causes the things sown in it to spring up, so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring up before all the nations.

    Isaiah 63:17
    Why, O Lord, dost Thou cause us to stray from Thy ways, and harden our heart from fearing Thee? Return for the sake of Thy servants, the tribes of Thy heritage.

    Isaiah 65:1
    I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me. I said, "Here am I, here am I," to a nation which did not call on My name.

    Isaiah 66:18,23
    For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory..."All mankind [lit., flesh] will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord.

    Jeremiah 1:5
    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.

    Jeremiah 4:28
    Because I have spoken, I have purposed, and I will not change My mind [lit. be sorry], nor will I turn from it.

    Jeremiah 10:23
    I know, O Lord, that a man's way is not in himself; Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his stePsalms

    Jeremiah 16:21
    Therefore behold, I am going to make them know-- This time I will make them know My power and My might; And they shall know that My name is the Lord.

    Jeremiah 18:11
    Thus says the Lord, "I am fashioning evil [Hebrews "ra"] against you [His chosen people] and devising a plan against you. Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds." [Ed., this is the purpose and goal for the use of evil by God]

    Jeremiah 23:3
    Then I Myself shall gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and shall bring them back to their pasture; and they will be fruitful and multiply.

    Jeremiah 23:24
    "Can a man hide himself in hiding places, so I do not see him?" declares the Lord. "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the Lord.

    Jeremiah 24:7
    And I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart.

    Jeremiah 27:5
    I have made the earth, the men and the beasts which are on the face of the earth by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and I will give it to the one who is pleasing in My sight.

    Jeremiah 29:11,12
    "For I know the plans that I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope." Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you..."

    Jeremiah 31:1,3
    "At that time," declares the Lord, "I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people."..."I have loved you with an everlasting love. Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness."

    Jeremiah 31:33
    "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the Lord. "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

    Jeremiah 31:34
    And they shall not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the Lord, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

    Jeremiah 32:27
    Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?

    Jeremiah 32:40
    And I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear [awe] of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

    Jeremiah 46:28
    For I shall make a full end of all the nations where I have driven you, yet I shall not make a full end of you; But I shall correct you properly and by no means leave you unpunished.
    [Ed., God's punishments are always for correction, and are therefore remedial and not vindictive.]

    Jeremiah 51:12
    For the Lord has both purposed and performed what He spoke concerning the inhabitants...

    Lam. 2:17
    The Lord has done what He purposed; He has accomplished His word which He commanded from days of old.

    Lam. 3:31
    For the Lord will not reject forever, for if He causes grief, then He will have compassion according to His abundant lovingkindness.

    Lam. 3:37-39
    Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both good and evil go forth? Why should any living mortal, or any man, offer complaint in view of his sins?

    Ezekiel 7:9
    I will repay you according to your ways, while your abominations are in your midst; then you will know that I, the Lord, do the smiting.

    Ezekiel 12:25
    For I the Lord shall speak, and whatever word I speak will be performed.

    Ezekiel 20:44
    Then you will know that I am the Lord when I have dealt with you for My name's sake, not according to your evil ways or according to your corrupt deeds, O house of Israel, declares the Lord God.

    Ezekiel 24:14
    I, the Lord, have spoken; it is coming and I shall act.

    Ezekiel 36:22-27
    Therefore, say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God, "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went...Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight. For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

    Ezekiel 36:31-32
    Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good, and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and your abominations. I am not doing this for your sake," declares the Lord God, "let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your ways, O house of Israel!".

    Ezekiel 37:5
    Thus says the Lord God to these bones, "Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life."

    Ezekiel 37:14
    And I will put My Spirit within you, and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it," declares the Lord.

    Ezekiel 38:23
    And I shall magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.
    [Ed., This phrase is used literally dozens of times throughout Ezekiel and through out all of scripture. It is the basis for all of God's sovereign dealings with man, and reveals His ultimate goal and intention: "...that I may know Him..." Phil 3:10. "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent." Jn 17:3]

    Daniel 2:44
    And in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.

    Daniel 4:3
    How great are His signs, and how great are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and His dominion is from generation to generation.

    Daniel 4:35
    And all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but He does according to His will in the Host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, "What hast Thou done."

    Daniel 7:13,14
    I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and men of every language might serve Him. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.

    Daniel 7:27
    Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.

    Daniel 11:36
    For that which is decreed will be done.

    Hosea 13:14
    I will ransom them from the power of Sheol; I will redeem them from death. O death, where are your thorns? O Sheol, where is your sting?

    Hosea 14:4
    I will heal their apostasy, I will love them freely, for My anger has turned away from them.

    Joel 2:26-28
    And you shall have plenty to eat and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, who has dealt wondrously with you; then My people will never be put to shame. Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God and there is no other; And My people will never be put to shame. And it will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

    Amos 3:6-8
    If calamity [lit. "ra", evil] occurs in a city has not the Lord done it? Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?

    Amos 4:13
    For behold, He who forms mountains and creates the wind and declares to man what are His thoughts, He who makes dawn into darkness and treads on the high places of the earth, The Lord God of hosts is His name.

    Micah4:6-7
    In that day, declares the Lord, I will assemble the lame, and gather the outcasts, even those whom I have afflicted. I will make the lame a remnant, and the outcasts a strong nation, and the Lord will reign over them in Mount Zion from now on and forever.

    Micah 5:2
    But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity.

    Micah 7:18-20
    Who is a God like Thee, who pardons iniquity and passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession? He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in unchanging love. He will again have compassion on us; He will tread our iniquities underfoot. Yes, Thou wilt cast all our sins into the depths of the sea. Thou wilt give truth to Jacob and unchanging love to Abraham, which Thou didst swear to our forefathers from the days of old.

    Habakkuk 2:14
    For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

    Habakkuk 3:12-13
    In indignation Thou didst march through the earth; in anger Thou didst trample (thresh) the nations. Thou didst go forth for the salvation of Thy people, for the salvation of Thine anointed. Thou didst strike the head of the house of the evil to lay him open from thigh to neck.

    Habakkuk 3:19
    The Lord God is my strength, and He has made my feet like hinds' feet, and makes me walk on high places.

    Zephaniah 2:11
    The Lord will be terrifying to them, for He will starve all the gods of the earth; and all the coastlands of the nations will bow down to Him, every one from his own place.

    Zephaniah 3:8-9
    Indeed, My decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out on them My indignation, all My burning anger; for all the earth will be devoured by the fire of My zeal. For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder.
    [Ed., Note that the purpose of God's fire is purification, that is, destruction of the flesh for the purification of the soul.]

    Haggai 2:6-7
    For thus says the Lord of hosts, "Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land. And I will shake all the nations; and they will come with all the wealth of the nations; and I will fill this house with glory," says the Lord of hosts.

    Haggai 2:21-22
    I am going to shake the heavens and the earth. And I will overthrow the thrones of kingdoms and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations; and I will overthrow the chariots and their riders, and the horses and their riders will go down, every one by the sword of another.

    Zechariah 2:10-11
    Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will dwell in your midst, declares the Lord. And many nations will join themselves to the Lord in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you.

    Zechariah 3:1-4
    Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And the Lord said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire? Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments and standing before the angel. And he spoke and said to those who were standing before him saying, "Remove the filthy garments from him." Again he said to him, "See, I have taken your iniquity away from you and will clothe you with festal robes."

    Zechariah 4:6-7
    Then he answered and said to me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel saying, 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the Lord or hosts. 'What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"

    Zechariah 8:12-13
    And I will cause the remnant of this people to inherit all these things. And it will come about that just as you were a curse among the nations, O house of Judah and house of Israel, so I will save you that you may become a blessing. Do not fear. Let your hands be strong.

    Zechariah 9:10
    And He will speak peace to the nations; and His dominion will be from sea to sea, and from the River [i.e., the Euphrates] to the ends of the earth.

    Zechariah 14:8-9
    And it will come about in that day that living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be one, and His name one. [some trans. add "the only one".]

    Malachi 1:11
    For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts.

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    [Ed., An attempt has been made to include the most prominent scriptures concerning the sovereignty of God's will and plan over His creation. More are being added as they are discovered. There are also many others too numerous to mention which were not included because of the close similarity with those already listed.]
     
  2. Eladar

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    Diane,

    I hope that was cut and paste and that you didn't type all that out by hand... [​IMG]

    I'm sorry, but you have yet to show me where the Bible says that everyone is going to heaven. It isn't that God couldn't, it is that God didn't.

    You even posted in your list where Jesus says that not everyone is going to be saved.
     
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    Hahaha - no Tuor - it was a cut and paste. [​IMG]

    Just hoping to estabish sovereignty.

    I'm not finished - Oh no!!!!!

    It will take some time though - gonna try not to cut and paste and share from the heart.

    Peace, Diane
     
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    Diane, please, can you just post the verse and your own synopsis?
     
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    I'm trying Clint. Please be patient with me. [​IMG]
     
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    Tuor,

    You wrote:

    That question was directed to John3v36.

    As to the feast...

    Was Jesus in error when he gave the parable of the wedding feast?

    Link to Matthew 22:1-14

    Was Jesus incorrect when he said "For many are called, but few are chosen"?

    I reply:

    As you look into the word "wrath", especially when Jesus used the word, do a search (yes, even in a Strong's Concordance) and find Strong's # 3709.

    3709 orge or-gay' from 3713; properly, desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by analogy), violent passion (ire, or (justifiable) abhorrence); by implication punishment:--anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath. see GREEK for 3713

    What I find so very interesting is that "properly", this word means "desire" (and perhaps a very strong desire).

    Now look to its root word:

    3713 oregomai or-eg'-om-ahee middle voice of apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary (compare 3735); to stretch oneself, i.e. reach out after (long for):--covet after, desire. see GREEK for 3735

    The root word means to "reach out after" or to "long for".

    What we have here is something that really has nothing to do with anger and retribution, much less any eternal punishment.

    This "wrath" is an immensely strong desire or "strongly longing for".

    I wonder what God really, strongly desires or "longs for"?

    He who has faith in the Son has eternal life; but he who has not faith in the Son will not see life; God's wrath is resting on him. (John 3:36)

    Those that have faith in Him will "know the Father and the Son, whom the Father sent", but those that don't will not know them and God's very strong desire is upon them.

    ((((Many are called but few are chosen))))

    I ask you Tuor - Who does the calling? Who does the choosing? This disproves nothing. God is sovereign.

    And about the feast. Who was it that will not sup? The invitees. When they refused all the outcasts were invited.

    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....maybe those invitees will be serving the outcasts and eating crow in the kitchen. Oh the lessons will continue! This does not disprove that all will not be at His table.

    In Gensis God pronounced: He (Jesus) will bruise your head (serpent) and you (serpent) will bruise His (Jesus) heel. See John 13:18 and Rom 16:20.

    Satan is and will be CRUSHED, Tuor, in light of Christ's finished work on the cross.

    Hey, have a nice day. [​IMG]

    Diane
     
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    I ask you Tuor - Who does the calling? Who does the choosing? This disproves nothing. God is sovereign.

    God is doing the calling by writing in our hearts His truths, our conscience. The ones who were chosen are the ones that listen to that conscience and accept Jesus as Lord(I don't necessarily believe this is what many believe this to mean).

    And about the feast. Who was it that will not sup? The invitees. When they refused all the outcasts were invited.

    If you will notice, even some of those who were invited from the streets were cast out for improper attire.

    Satan is and will be CRUSHED, Tuor, in light of Christ's finished work on the cross.

    Very true. Satan doesn't cause us to sin. Satan tempts us to sin. God will not cast out people because of Satan, God will cast out people due to their choices.
     
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    Tuor,

    I never felt as if I had a choice. Once I got a glimpse of the awesome love of Christ - I was hooked. [​IMG] There has been no turning back since. He has gotten a hold of me. Joy unspeakable!

    Believers of the first few centuries knew that joy and they know that the Greek word "ta panta" meant "all."

    1Tim 2:6-Salvation of all is testified in due time- Are we judging God before due time?

    Jn 12:47-Jesus came to save all-Will He succeed?

    Rm 5:15-21-In Adam all condemned, in Christ all live- The same all?

    1Cor 15:22-In Adam all die, in Christ all live- Again, the same all?

    Eph 1:10-All come into Him at the FULLNESS OF TIMES – When?

    Luke 2:10-Jesus will be joy to all people – Hallelujah!

    Heb 8:11,12- All will know God – All?

    1Tim 2:4-God will have all to be saved-Can His will be thwarted?

    1Tim 2:4-God desires all to come to the knowledge of truth- Will His desire come to pass?

    Rm 11:32-All subject to unbelief, mercy on all- All?

    Rm 11:36-All out of, through, and into Him-ALL into Him?

    1Cor 15:28-God will be all in all- What does THAT mean?

    This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires ("will have" in some translations) all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in DUE TIME. (1 Tim 2:3-6).
    1 John 4:14 tells us that the Father sent the Son to be Savior of the world. John 3:35 tells us that the Father has given all into Jesus' hands. It is the desire of the Father to save all and He has given Jesus all power and authority to do his will. "This is the will of the Father Who sent Me, that of all He has given Me, I should lose nothing, but raise it up at the last day." (John 6:39) The Father has given all into His hands. (John 3:35)

    3:35) Phl 2:9-11-Every tongue shall confess Jesus is Lord- Will the Holy Spirit be given to everyone?

    1Cor 12:3-Cannot confess except by Holy Spirit- See what I mean?

    It is interesting that translators want to change the meanings of words. Look at the Liddell, Scott, Jones Greek Lexicon you will see that pas (another form of the word for all) does not have the meaning of "some" in any sense. In the singular it means "the whole" or "the entire" and in the plural it means "all" or "every".

    There is a perfectly good Greek word for some, which the writers of the New Testament knew well and used when referring to "some". That Greek word is tis.

    Peter himself here shows that he knew the difference between "some" and "all"...

    2 Peter 3.9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some (tis) count slowness, but is longsuffering towards you, not wanting some (tis) to perish but all (pas) to come to repentance.

    Matthew 16.28 Truly I say to you that there are some (tis) of the ones standing here...

    Matthew 28.11 And as they were going behold some (tis) of the guard...

    Mark 7.2 And having seen some (tis) of his disciples...

    Mark 14.65 And some (tis) began to spit on Him...

    Luke 19.39 And some (tis) of the Pharisees from the crowd said to Him, Teacher...

    John 6.64 But there are some (tis) of you who do not believe...

    John 11.46 But some (tis) of them went away to the Pharisees...

    Acts 5.15 So as even into the streets to carry out the sick and to put them on beds and mats, that coming, at least the shadow of Peter might fall upon some (tis) of them.

    Acts 17.4 And some (tis) of them were persuaded and were joined to Paul and Silas...

    Romans 11.17 But if some (tis) of the branches were broken off...

    1 Corinthians 4.18 Now some (tis) are puffed up...

    1 Corinthians 6.11 And such were some (tis) of you...

    2 Corinthians 3.1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some (tis) epistles of commendation to you...

    2 Corinthians 10.12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some (tis) that commend themselves...

    Galatians 1.7 Which is not another, but there are some (tis) troubling you and desire to pervert the gospel of Christ.

    Philippians 1.15 Some (tis) indeed even through envy and strife preach Christ, but some indeed through goodwill.

    2 Thessalonians 3.11 For we hear of some (tis) among you walking disorderly...

    1 Timothy 1.6 From which some (tis) having swerved have turned aside unto vain talking.
    2 Timothy 2.18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrowing the faith of some (tis).

    It is my hope that some will come to know His glorious love NOW and not have to wait until the fullness of times. Blessed be His Holy Name for there is NONE like Him!

    Putting on the wedding clothes daily which is remembering Who the Bridegroom is will bring an awareness of His work of grace poured upon us. He is sitting now with the God the Father Who sat after He finished His work. May we enter into His rest as well.

    I pray God's richest blessings on you,

    Diane
     
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    I never felt as if I had a choice. Once I got a glimpse of the awesome love of Christ - I was hooked. There has been no turning back since. He has gotten a hold of me. Joy unspeakable!

    From my point of view, what you are saying isn't necessarily the actual truth. People who are gay say they never had a choice either. Perhaps the choices we make are so small and seemingly meaningless, that we don't recognize the choice as a choice.

    I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, I am just trying to post my observation.

    Believers of the first few centuries knew that joy and they know that the Greek word "ta panta" meant "all."

    Judging from all the herecy that the Apostles were having to fight, perhaps your views of the early church aren't exactly accurate.

    Jesus came to save all-Will He succeed?

    All of whom? All of the elect? All people? Judging from what Jesus said, this must mean the elect.

    Could you do me a favor and answer one question:

    Was Jesus truthful when he said "Not all who say to me lord, lord will enter the kingdom of heaven."
     
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    I don't think you're mean at all, Tuor. I appreciate your honesty.

    I don't have all (LOL) the answers. I know the One who does. If He ever reveals to me the answer to the Lord, Lord....verse, you'll be the first I'll let know.

    Keep digging brother (are you a brother?) for the answers.

    Peace, Diane
     
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    Hello GH,

    First Off...Nice Posts.... [​IMG]

    After All Those Breath-Taking Posts That Were Presented..The Lord, Lord Passage Stumps You?...I Thought By Reading Your Last Two Posts..You Answered That Question?

    Many Times..........

    Anyhoo...Jesus Spoke About Immediate spiritual Changes........

    Just What Does "Entering The Kingdom of Heaven" Mean?..and Where Is This Place?
    or even "The Gate" or entrance, Where One Enters?.....

    Heres A Clue....during pauls times, judieizers were mentioned..adding to the work of jesus christ. mixing the law with the atoneing blood of jesus to their faith...did it stop their understanding of Gods redemptive work in their lives...yea buddy.. Their Understanding was darkened and their faith dimenished..Did They Seek Gods Forgiveness...Nope. They Didnt Even want to Address God About The Issues. Did God Work Through Them To Others...Possibly..Cast out Demons...in Jesus Name...perform Miracles....In Jesus Name..

    But They WOULDNT ENTER INTO THE PRESENTS OF GOD...To Ask Forgiveness...To Ask For Mercy... They Knew Jesus As Personal Savior...But Not As LORD.......

    They Can Say Lord Lord All Day Long..but it doesnt mean anything..to them
    They Are Their Own God....Just Using Jesus As Their Savior..

    Entering into The Rest Of Christ Requires Total Submission To A Holy God...
    Dying To Self means All...Total Submission..Laying All Cares Upon A Holy God..
    Allthough The Results May be Good or Bad..Total Submission is A Pre-Requisite To Becoming A Servant Of The Lord Jesus Christ.

    Second..Jesus Died For All Sin..All...He's God..He Can Do That..
    Jesus Is The Blueprint of Creation. The Physical Expression of Gods Love To Mankind.
    God Loves His Creation...He's Not Just Going To Allow Anyone to Destroy or Upsurp It.
    So The Expression That God Love You..Means He Made You..and will Preserve You for His Good Pleasure.......Jesus Character is Love...His Very Creative Nature is Based On Love..Its Based On Mercy..Its Based On Forgiveness..

    Another Reason That Man Doesn't Stand Before A Holy God (other Than Utter Submission) Is
    Not Understanding God's Nature..Offering Mercy and Forgiveness To ALL.. Knowing The Son means Knowing The Father....He Is Love and Forgiveness and Mercy..

    They Can Say Lord Lord All Day..But They Wont Accept Forgiveness Before A Holy God

    When Man Adds to or takes away from The Work Of Jesus AND Doesnt Understand That Jesus Has And Will Continue To Forgive all Whom The Father Draws To Him...

    They Choose Not To Enter Into The Kingdom of Heaven..All They Want To Do Is Hide From Him.
    The Guests without A Wedding Garment....Hint..They Dont Want To Put It On...They Already own it....Wrong Place..Wrong Time..Without Your Wedding Garment....

    God Speaks Mainly of Two Types Of Believers (in Christ)..Carnal and Spiritual..
    Its The Carnal Christians that like to Dabble in adding and taking away from Gods Completed Work.. or Holding onto Sin That Must Be Given To Jesus..Making Ones Wedding Garment Clean Again or walking around like a proud rooster...Saying Lord Lord...Jesus Saved Me.. But Is He Your Lord?..Huh? (That Total Submission and understanding that His Nature Is Forgiveness Stuff...) Or Simply To Receive Rest and Assurance of A Loving Lord...Well Done..Good and Faithful Servant.

    Many Called, Few Chosen...GH Knows....

    How About Many Carnal, Few Spiritual...or Many disobedient, Few Obedient...or
    or Many Dead In Christ, Few Alive In Christ or Many Vessels of Wrath, Few Vessels of Mercy
    or Many Sleeping in Christ, Few Awake In Christ

    or Few That Be That Find It...The Gate, I Mean..

    Me2
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    [ September 17, 2002, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Me2 ]
     
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    Hi Diane [​IMG]

    I remember doing this kind of study...

    Can you truly say that everywhere you find orge, your way of reading the word, really fits the context?

    Eph 4:31 - get rid of all longing?

    Rom 13:4 - God's agent is the is the agent of strong longing to bring punishment to the person who does evil?

    Rom 12:19 - don't avenge but leave room for God's strong longing instead?

    Rom 3:15 - if our unrighteousness shows God's righteousness more clearly, then is He unjust in bringing His strong longing on us?

    I would like to say that your interpretation of John 3 is the right one. I'd like to find universalism in the Bible, I really would.

    However...it seems to me that the other uses of orge show it to mean passionate anger, not just passion or strong longing.

    I'm interested in your reponse [​IMG]

    AITB [​IMG]
     
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    Me2,

    Either you are confused or I am. It is my understanding that Diane (GH) is a proponent of Universal salvation: everyone is going to heaven. Me2, you seem to be be saying that there are those who won't be saved.

    Diane,

    I am a guy. The whole brother and sister thing bothers me when it comes to people I really don't know.

    [ September 17, 2002, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: Tuor ]
     
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    Hi Me2,

    Hey, thanks for the encouragment!

    you wrote:

    After All Those Breath-Taking Posts That Were Presented..The Lord, Lord Passage Stumps You?...I Thought By Reading Your Last Two Posts..You Answered That Question?

    Many Times..........

    I reply:

    So did I, but at some point I sensed that I should let it rest for now. Ya know what I mean? And I agree with what you said. They cannot hear the bells! By God's will and choosing, I believe. Maybe so that we could learn to love? I'm learning. [​IMG]

    You wrote:

    Entering into The Rest Of Christ Requires Total Submission To A Holy God...
    Dying To Self means All...Total Submission..Laying All Cares Upon A Holy God..
    Allthough The Results May be Good or Bad..Total Submission is A Pre-Requisite To Becoming A Servant Of The Lord Jesus Christ.

    I reply:

    Oh what sweet rest, it is. Such work it is to labor into His rest....stop striving and know that I am God - sweet words. As Mary Magdalene broke the alabaster jar of nard and washed His feet with her hair, we lie at His feet in worship of the Living God. All else pales in comparison.

    You wrote:

    Second..Jesus Died For All Sin..All...He's God..He Can Do That..
    Jesus Is The Blueprint of Creation. The Physical Expression of Gods Love To Mankind.
    God Loves His Creation...He's Not Just Going To Allow Anyone to Destroy or Upsurp It.
    So The Expression That God Love You..Means He Made You..and will Preserve You for His Good Pleasure.......Jesus Character is Love...His Very Creative Nature is Based On Love..Its Based On Mercy..Its Based On Forgiveness..

    I reply:

    Amen! He's a jealous God. There'll be no boasting in His presence. [​IMG] And He did His work well on that cross. Praise God there is None like Him.

    You wrote:

    Another Reason That Man Doesn't Stand Before A Holy God (other Than Utter Submission) Is
    Not Understanding God's Nature..Offering Mercy and Forgiveness To ALL.. Knowing The Son means Knowing The Father....He Is Love and Forgiveness and Mercy..

    They Can Say Lord Lord All Day..But They Wont Accept Forgiveness Before A Holy God

    When Man Adds to or takes away from The Work Of Jesus AND Doesnt Understand That Jesus Has And Will Continue To Forgive all Whom The Father Draws To Him...

    I reply:

    God's new covenant with man is expression-based. It is not performance-based.

    In the old covenant, the emphasis was on performing laws. Man was instructed to live by a set of rules and regulations, and if he didn't, he died.

    In the new covenant, the emphasis is on expressing God. God lives in man, and His inner presence flows outward as a river of holiness, good works, and fruit of the Spirit.

    Many today live performance-based lives. They take the New Testament and make it a set of laws to live by. They consider these beautiful writings a list of rules and regulations to be obeyed. And according to them, if you don't live up to this standard, you are not pleasing God.

    Living by a set of rules and regulations didn't work. That's why God instituted a new covenant.

    "(Our covenant is) not in a written code, but in the Spirit. For the written code kills, but the Spirit gives life."

    If anyone comes to you with a teaching that claims you must do something to be reconciled to God, do something to please God, or even do something to receive God's blessings, reject it. That is performance-based, old covenant thinking.

    God, living within us, is the Doer.

    Jesus said, "Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water."

    The Holy Spirit's inner presence flows gloriously outward.

    You wrote:

    They Choose Not To Enter Into The Kingdom of Heaven..All They Want To Do Is Hide From Him.
    The Guests without A Wedding Garment....Hint..They Dont Want To Put It On...They Already own it....Wrong Place..Wrong Time..Without Your Wedding Garment....

    God Speaks Mainly of Two Types Of Believers (in Christ)..Carnal and Spiritual..
    Its The Carnal Christians that like to Dabble in adding and taking away from Gods Completed Work.. or Holding onto Sin That Must Be Given To Jesus..Making Ones Wedding Garment Clean Again or walking around like a proud rooster...Saying Lord Lord...Jesus Saved Me.. But Is He Your Lord?..Huh? (That Total Submission and understanding that His Nature Is Forgiveness Stuff...) Or Simply To Receive Rest and Assurance of A Loving Lord...Well Done..Good and Faithful Servant.

    I reply:

    Sorting this out does time some time and submission to God's working His will out in our lives - in the details of our lives.

    You wrote:

    Many Called, Few Chosen...GH Knows....

    I reply:

    [​IMG]

    You wrote:

    How About Many Carnal, Few Spiritual...or Many disobedient, Few Obedient...or
    or Many Dead In Christ, Few Alive In Christ or Many Vessels of Wrath, Few Vessels of Mercy
    or Many Sleeping in Christ, Few Awake In Christ

    or Few That Be That Find It...The Gate, I Mean..

    I write:

    His ways are unsearchable. Who could fathom them lest He reveal it?

    Grace and Peace to all those who love Jesus with an undying love. It's about love!

    Diane
     
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    Hi Helen (the other one - right?)

    If you do a study on God's anger - any concordance will help - you find many surprising answers.

    He's slow to anger.

    It doesn't last forever.

    His love far out lasts His anger.

    There's much more, but I'll let you savor that sweet morsel for yourself.

    In fact, don't let go of Him until He answers you. [​IMG]

    Peace, Diane
     
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    Tuor,

    I hear you about the brothers and sisters thing.

    But consider this, we have God's DNA. He made us a family. He's the God and Father of all.

    If we say we love God and do not love our brother we are liars. Remember that one?

    Peace, Diane
     
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    Originally posted by GH:

    Hi Helen (the other one - right?)


    Yes, you're right [​IMG] Hi Diane!

    If you do a study on God's anger - any concordance will help - you find many surprising answers.

    He's slow to anger.

    It doesn't last forever.

    His love far out lasts His anger.

    There's much more, but I'll let you savor that sweet morsel for yourself.


    I recognize all those things as Biblical. What I'm not sure about is that orge can be translated as a positive longing for, rather than a passionate anger against.

    In fact, don't let go of Him until He answers you. [​IMG]

    Ah, I recognize that too...but I don't want to end up with a limp!!! :D

    (Gen 32:26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak." But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me." )

    Peace, Diane

    And also to you! [​IMG]

    AITB ('other' Helen)
     
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    If we say we love God and do not love our brother we are liars. Remember that one?

    Yes, but how do we show that we love our brother or not? It is based on our actions? :eek:

    The brother thing I am talking about can be found in 1 Corinthians 5. I know, Paul is not Jesus. But Jesus did choose Paul. I believe Paul brought Jesus' message.

    By the way, I'd still like to know if you thought Jesus was wrong when he said that not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven.

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    He said not everyone, but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.

    So this is salvation by works - by obedience, is it? Only those who do His will?

    It seems to me that by bringing in that verse you raise more new questions than you answer...

    AITB [​IMG]
     
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    Only if you are trying to be a 'anti-works' advocate. The Bible is clear that our actions are the fruit of our heart. One can't pretend. One can't blow it off.

    Those who have been given to Jesus are his. Those who are not are not. Good works don't mean we are doing God's will. Works don't get us into heaven. Jesus' sacrifice gets his people into heaven. Jesus' people produce certain fruit. It is as simple as that.

    ***I just don't see how one can believe in universal salvation when Jesus clearly states that not everyone is going to heaven***

    By the way, it is my understanding that salvation has always been achieved the same way. There is no new and old covenant for salvation. All are saved by Jesus Christ. All demonstate who they worship by their actions. As Jesus said when he quoted Isaiah
     
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