Youth Conference

I didnt go this year but I have been to a youth cconference there about 6 years ago.

 

I watched most of it on the internet. ALOT of hype. Very little substance.

Some of it was just down right wrong.

Tad

 

My church sent our your youth group down there. They were astonished by the "affection" shown to the pastors. This "affection" seemed to be borderline worship if not straight up, and the pastors did nothing to discourage it. A man coming to me to preach about the wonders of God should not enter the worship area as if he is the greatest thing this side of heaven. Coming in from the ceiling, coming from the ground, coming in from a helicopter, this is all to stroke the ego of the pastor. I have viewed or from a second hand source seen all of this.

 

Someone posted a sickening video in the music forum about a rapper in RWs Megachurch.

Here is a link to a sickening video from the youth conference at Hammond.
http://www.youthconferencehammond.com/#
follow the instructions to download it and watch it..

It is all about how Schaap has filled Hyles' chair... And how great Jack Hyles was and how great Schaap is. It was sickening...

Satan got kicked out of Heaven for the same pride that oozes from Hammond! Not a word about how Great God is, but Jack Hyles was the best...barf!

At one point toward the end schaap says "god-man" and the next scene is ol' Jack Hyles. excuse me while I delete this trash from my hard drive.

And people complain about youth ministry today... I let my son watch the video, and he asked who was Jack Hyles and why were they lifting him up? Even he has enough brains to know that preacher worship is a sin!

 

Tim Tim Tim ...you gotta remember if it comes from the Hyles and Hammond bunch it is ok

Just to help you out Tim, always remember this..

Anything purpose driven ...BAD

Anything hyles driven...GOOD

 

Yuck, tim.

That won't be happening at our conference in Branson. Doubt there'll be any youth here strong enough to lift me up! Everything at that kind of event (and at all points of life) should centered on Christ... not any man.

 

I think I got that PD=BAD , HD=Good

I'll try to remember that.

 

it tickles me...

in another thread bashing Rick Warren (or was it Billy Graham? since they're all from "the pit" i tend to get them confused) a critic whined that "all they care about is their numbers!" I go to the hammond site...and what do I see across the top of the page?

The attendance figures.

Sad. Where's the outcry? If it's a problem for RW and Billy, why not Jack's crew?

 

We've had those threads on the BB, but I haven't seen any of them in the last few months. Inevitably, the Hyles apologists come out of the woodwork to defend FBC/Hyles/Schaap.

Personally, I'd like to see what the Hyles apologists would say to defend the "God-man" video.

 

I have no idea... how someone will be able to explain this away.
I keep watching that video, hoping to hear something that I didn't hear.


Here is exactly what is said there on the video....

with drums playing in the background and a picture of an empty chair there is a voice over....with Jack Hyles saying
"who's gonna fill that chair, (then echos chair, chair, chair)

Cut away to Schaap sitting behind what appears to be a desk, saying, "Our foundation was built not just on a man..."

Cut away to chair with Hyles' voice, "whose gonna fill that chair, (chair, chair, chair)

Cut away to Schaap behind the desk finishing his sentence (Our foundation was built not just on a man...)
He finishes it by saying, "but THE God-man" (not a godly man, but THE God-man!!)

Cut away to a picture of Hyles saying, "I'd like to know whose gonna fill that chair"

Back to Schaap, Schaap says, "He told me Jack, when I'm gone, you're going to find out this church was built on a man, on God.

Cut to Schaap preaching and saying, "can I tell you the secret of getting a crowd?"

Cut back to Schaap at desk saying, "I think we found out didn't we?"

Lets put Schaaps statements together without the cut aways to Hyles and this is what Jack Schaap says,

"Our foundation was built not just on a man, but the God-man. He told me Jack, when I'm gone you're going to find out this church was built on a man, on God. I think we found out didn't we?"

Now who was Schaap talking about? Jack Hyles....By the fact that Schaap says, "He told me" Obviously God didn't tell Jack this...He is referring to Hyles...

Who's gonna fill that chair... I believe it is the spirit of antichrist. Anyone that sets up Hyles to be THE God man, is blaspheming God.

Logically the one who fills Jack Hyles' chair is ... the current pastor. So if Hyles was THE God man, then the one that fills that chair must be his successor.

Kinda neat how Schaap sets himself up to be worshipped.
So will the Antichrist...

The very last thing Schaap says on the video, "Same ol stuff, just more of it."
To that I can say a hearty AMEN!!!!

This hurts me because the children that went to this conference is being indoctrinated by this cult.... Yes a cult...
I wish this was a video meant to be funny, or even one making fun of FBC. But it is not.. It is produced by FBC to show what went on at the conference...

 

pastor tim,

Schaap would not have ever referred to Hyles as God. My daughter AND my husband were at that conference, and if anything even remotely close to such heresy had been preached there then I would have heard of it. Any video you saw, if it gave you that impression, then it was due to a poor job of cutting and editing in the video.

The whole conference was geared toward getting teens to stand up for God (not Hyles), and stand for Godly principles and right-living.

Im sorry that you got the wrong impression from watching that video........I suggest you write the church and ask them for a clarification of it. If you really want to get at the truth than I know you will ask them with a sincere spirit. But I can tell you unequivocally, that Jack Schaap would not ever refer to Hyles as God, a God-man, or any such heretical thing. He would have indeed been referring to Jesus Christ......just as you or I would refer to Jesus as the "God-man".

The whole thing about who will "sit in the gap" is about the fact that our old-time, gospel preaching men of God are dying, and who among the young people will be stepping up to fill those shoes? That is the question the young people were asked. Yes, I get annoyed by the constant reference to Hyles also, but don't we constantly refer to Spurgeon and Moody as men we admire? As men who have gone on and who will be stepping up to take their place? Well, Hyles is their preacher, who they admire and looked up to, and he is referenced as just one of the men who has died and left a gap that needs to be filled.

Remember, it bothers me to no end how much they still talk about Jack Hyles there. I think they've put too much emphasis on him. But they are not setting him up as the anti-christ, and to say that fellow Christians there are starting the anti-christ worship is just going too far.

 

"Our foundation was built not just on a man, but the God-man. He told me Jack, when I'm gone you're going to find out this church was built on a man, on God. I think we found out didn't we?"

Now who was Schaap talking about? Jack Hyles....By the fact that Schaap says, "He told me" Obviously God didn't tell Jack this...He is referring to Hyles...

Who's gonna fill that chair... I believe it is the spirit of antichrist. Anyone that sets up Hyles to be THE God man, is blaspheming God.

Logically the one who fills Jack Hyles' chair is ... the current pastor. So if Hyles was THE God man, then the one that fills that chair must be his successor.

Kinda neat how Schaap sets himself up to be worshipped.
So will the Antichrist...

The very last thing Schaap says on the video, "Same ol stuff, just more of it."
To that I can say a hearty AMEN!!!!

This hurts me because the children that went to this conference is being indoctrinated by this cult.... Yes a cult...
I wish this was a video meant to be funny, or even one making fun of FBC. But it is not.. It is produced by FBC to show what went on at the conference...[/QUOTE]













Could the "God-man" POSSIBLY be referring to Jesus Christ, the One sent down to take on the "form of a man" I believe the Bible says? He was flesh, yet he was God, therefore, the "God-man!!! DUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!!!!!!!
First Baptist Church was founded on Christ, the God-man, not Jack Hyles, the man. By the way, FBC was founded about 150 years before Jack Hyles was even an idea!!!

 

You miss the point...several points:

• I've heard much criticism from some of this bunch about things such as:
  • "entertainment-driven" youth ministries
  • Focusing on numbers
  • having ministries that center around one dynamic personality
• Then these folks do the same thing that they hammer other folks about.
• I'm responsible for whatever my ministry puts out. You can't be ambiguous, unclear, or confusing with regards to publicity. If the "God-Man" statement was referring to Jesus (and I'm not convinced it was), someone should get a tongue-lashing for producing a video viewed by thousands of impressionable folk that leaves room for doubt. I do retreats, conferences, and events a good bit. I write and produce material--curriculum, videos, dramas, and the like. Anyone who does this should take great care to be clear in the communication of the message. If "God-man" was referring to Jesus, they didn't make that clear at all.

I keep coming back to the absolute hypocrisy of those who regularly accuse others of being "numbers-driven," and then proceed to put out a completely numbers-driven promotional item. I would say to those individuals: Pot, meet kettle.

By the way, the age of FBC Hammond has nothing to do with its spiritual status. I know some 150 year-old churches that are getting the job done...and others who are dead as a doornail. It's entirely possible for a church to start out doing what it should do...but along the way leave its first love. Has FBCH done that? That ain't my call. I'm not saying it has happened. But it could happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

 

Ok, just for argument's sake the "God-man" statement wasn't about Hyles...
The video still was all about "who's gonna fill that chair?"
Obvious Jack worship....

Worship of Hyles transferred to the one that filled the chair... Schaap.

The video was all about Hyles and not Christ... anyone can see that. Unless you are too close to the situation and the bright lights of Jack worship have blinded you.

I am sure there are great Christians in FBC Hammond. But that video doesn't portray it.

Watch it as if you never knew anything about anyone in it.
I had a couple people watch it that has never heard of Hyles, Schaap, or FBC Hammond... Their response?

"Why are they putting that guy on a pedestal?"

I didn't slur Hyles, I simply said, "He did great things for that church."

BTW, with a screen name like "Go Hyles" it is obvious that you are worshipping this guy also.

I could just imagine what would happen if my screen name was "Go Osteen" or "Go Warren"
Now I could get away with "Go Barnhouse" (As in Donald Grey Barnhouse) Because that is my last name!!!!

ooops... your last name isn't Hyles is it? If so I am sorry for offending you.

Maybe I will change it to "Go Rbell" lol

 

rbell's right, too.....

there is alot of "hero-worship" there. I think in a large way they've gotten so used to being in and around their own group of people that they often don't realize how they come across to those who aren't in that same group. And this includes other Baptists who they WOULD call their brothers in Christ. So those of us who are around them alot, we know what they mean and we know what they are trying to portray, so we sort of "interpret" for them in our heads. But others, not around them as much, are seeing things differently.

I do hope that they can come out of that mentality and realize that just because someone has a problem with them it doesn't mean that that someone has a problem with God. I actually have seen alot of improvement in this area.....although it might not look like it from your point of view here on the BB. Lately they just have more public venues what with the internet and all.

 

Time for intellectual consistency on my part, too...

"Hero worship" is problematic...whether it's at a Toby Mac concert, or a Hammond youth conference. We as leaders need to not propagate that mindset.

In fact, I sense a new thread coming on...

 

the more numbers usually means more out reach...when it doesn't mean more hipe and leading people to believe that things said by man (that can't be traced truthfully to the bible. I wounder why God had the book of numbers put into the bible?????????? He had a count of his people. I am sorry if placing numbers offends anyone but a church that isn't soul winning and then teaching people isn't a God filled church.
Maybe some churches do not know that numbers offend some. Maybe we should see the reason that these numbers are posted.and not judge without knowing...
Ask God why his showing his number's for his people was important? I am not trying to be smart but I am wondering to everyone.
God bless you allraying:

 

Sorry, I meant to add that you are right...........praise goes to God first.a man's accompishments can't compare.But we can say thank you to people without trying to make them sound higher then God.
I atteneded that church once. When Hyles was preaching he gave God glory and preached a great message. He believed in getting into the field of harvest. I do not know that much about him other then that