One Nation Under God

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Very possibly because the vast majority of posters are American and the threads usually deal with American mottos or slogans?

 

[blackbird]

I, for one, am not riled. I simply consider it of very little consequence and not worth defending.

If congress voted today-----and if the pres put his signature to it----to remove the words "under god"------'tis would make me no lesser a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ today than I was yesterday

But yet-----upon such removal---it would no doubt work many into a little girl's "tizzy"

:saint::saint:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If congress voted today-----and if the pres put his signature to it----to remove the words "under god"------'tis would make me no lesser a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ today than I was yesterday

But yet-----upon such removal---it would no doubt work many into a little girl's "tizzy"

:saint::saint:

Agreed. The the government's quasi acknowledgement of an unspecified deity has nothing to do with a true relationship with Jehovah God.

 

[NiteShift]

Very possibly because the vast majority of posters are American and the threads usually deal with American mottos or slogans?

Possibly, although I notice that our friend to the north always chimes in on this subject.

 

[mandym]

quote: What? Where did you get such silliness?
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Your founding fathers! Ever study their theology, or lack thereof? They were non-church goers, universalists and out-and-out unbelievers.

Cheers,

Jim

You have no idea what your talking about.

 

[jaigner]

Never seen anyone on BB trying to show that these peoples are godless universalists as they do with the Americans.

Uh...we don't live there.

Hello!?!

 

[jaigner]

You have no idea what [you're] talking about.

Why not? Ever take the time to actually study the things they believed?

 

[NiteShift]

Uh...we don't live there.

Hello!?!

Thanks for the tip. Nevertheless, countries have historically asked for God's blessings in their mottos and symbolism. Ours are the only ones that come in for criticism. Remember that God showed favor to those nations and their leaders, even the heathen ones, who humbled themselves before him. Not everything is about individual salvation.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Remember that God showed favor to those nations and their leaders, even the heathen ones, who humbled themselves before him. .

Examples please?

Okay, Nazi Germany was wrong to use 'God with us.' Hows that for criticism?

 

[NiteShift]

Examples please?

Jonah was sent to Nineveh, an Assyrian city. The king proclaims fasting and repentance, God saw it and relented. Notice this is a heathen city, and God was concerned about their behavior. We are never told that everyone in the city received eternal life.

Okay, Nazi Germany was wrong to use 'God with us.' Hows that for criticism?

Fine except that German troops in Bavaria used the inscription on their belt buckles in WWI before there was any such thing as NAZI. My point is not that they are wrong to use, or that mottos save your soul. Point is that many countries have traditionally used such phrases calling for God's favor.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Fair enough on Ninevah. Their repentance though was a response to the proclamation of God's word, not a government approved slogan. Also, it was God giving them one more chance. 100 years later they were destoyed.

You are, of course, correct on the Nazi comment. Apologies for my lack of careful reading. The German government under 'the Hun' was also wrong to claim 'God with us' by state proclamation.

 

[NiteShift]

The German government under 'the Hun' was also wrong to claim 'God with us' by state proclamation.

Well I don't read such statements as “God, Honor, Fatherland” (Poland) or "God’s Help, the People’s Love, Denmark’s Strength” or "One Nation Under God" as a claim so much as a hope or an ideal.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Well I don't read such statements as “God, Honor, Fatherland” (Poland) or "God’s Help, the People’s Love, Denmark’s Strength” or "One Nation Under God" as a claim so much as a hope or an ideal.

A reasonable point. But is it really true in 2012 America or any other nation where for the most point the citizens curse, mock, and deny God instead of trusting Him?

 

[billwald]

Off hand, I can't think of any decisions I have made in the last 10 years that would have been made differently if I didn't trust God except maybe tithing.

 

[NiteShift]

But is it really true in 2012 America or any other nation where for the most point the citizens curse, mock, and deny God instead of trusting Him?

For the most part? Certainly we see alot more mocking and denying of God these days.

But polls in the US show most people still favor the use of "In God We Trust" on our currency, favor a national prayer day, and in general favor God remaining in the public square. I don't claim that makes us all Bible-Believing Christians, but at the very least it means that if these things were ever put to a vote most of us would favor them. Things like this seem to matter to people.

 

[NiteShift]

Off hand, I can't think of any decisions I have made in the last 10 years that would have been made differently if I didn't trust God except maybe tithing.

lol...that's sort of like saying "If I was a Martian none of my opinions or values would be different".

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

For the most part? Certainly we see alot more mocking and denying of God these days.

But polls in the US show most people still favor the use of "In God We Trust" on our currency, favor a national prayer day, and in general favor God remaining in the public square. I don't claim that makes us all Bible-Believing Christians, but at the very least it means that if these things were ever put to a vote most of us would favor them. Things like this seem to matter to people.

That is a fair point, though I am not sure I agree. But even then isn't there the possibility that using God a some kind of good luck talisman may do more harm than good?

 

[billwald]

>lol...that's sort of like saying "If I was a Martian none of my opinions or values would be different".

Say again?????


How do you all explain that most Germans were church going Lutherans when Hitler came to power? Anyone want to argue that Hitler would have been rejected if Germany was a baptist country?

 

[NiteShift]

How do you all explain that most Germans were church going Lutherans when Hitler came to power? Anyone want to argue that Hitler would have been rejected if Germany was a baptist country?

There were as many German Catholics in the 1930's as there were Protestants btw.

Hitler talked the talk in his early years about restoring traditional values. It soon became clear he was no friend to Christians. Christian youth groups were suppressed, religious holidays were curtailed, members of the Hitler Youth were not allowed to participate in church youth groups. Christian leaders who might oppose Hitler, such as Martin Niemoller, were sent to work camps.

I don't get where you come up with the "Anyone want to argue that Hitler would have been rejected if Germany was a baptist country" red herring.

 

[NiteShift]

But even then isn't there the possibility that using God a some kind of good luck talisman may do more harm than good?

Yes if God is used as a talisman it would do harm, which we see in places where Christianity is superimposed over pagan religions. I don't think that was ever the case in North America.