Featured Job's Resurrection Verse: Job 19:25-26

This is a very biblical, rational, interpretation. It’s no different than the actual ‘singing’ of the Song of Moses:

19 Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach thou it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, flowing with milk and honey, and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxed fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and despise me, and break my covenant.
21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are come upon them, that this song shall testify before them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they frame this day, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
22 So Moses wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel. Dt 31

The Song of Moses is being sang IN HEAVEN in Rev 15:3.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad. Jn 8:56

So, where exactly was Abraham when he was doing the 'rejoicing and the seeing'?

There's nothing biased (or heretical) about the way Tom is interpreting this, at all.

 

Its convenient for you to ask for Scripture when I have already mentioned Ezekiel's example.

ANE stands for Ancient Near Eastern... the culture that the Bible was written in and from. Yet you are advocating more of a western, philosophical, neo-platonic dualism of the world (natural and supernatural). My point is, sacred space (where God "lives") is not dualistic. In the ANE mind, heaven and earth were linked, the temple being the bridge. Good example is the example is the concept that heaven is God's throne and earth is his footstool. They are linked.

And if you need a prooftext (not my style, btw), Isa 66:21 mentions new creation and v. 22 mentions "all flesh worship before me".

Another point that I failed to mention. Can you demonstrate when the word "resurrection" (anastasis) does not refer to bodily life? Any examples, Biblical or secular.

 

Wrong thread for 1 Cor 15:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95322

 

So, does that mean I'm not allowed to make a point on a thread without first checking every other active thread to make sure that scripture isn't being discussed elsewhere?

 

...nah, do as you wish.

 

I'm still learning the rules here, ky. I haven't been involved in the thread you linked and it looks a whole lot more technical that I've aimed for so far.

 

It can indeed get technical when the Greek geeks get involved, but if you peruse the thread I believe you'll see your very point was already articulated there, which is an old consistent objection to full preterism.

 

I must've missed it in my read through. I re-articulated it anyway, and added some extra stuff.

 

...and I could be wrong, perhaps it wasn't articulated there, however 1 Cor 15 is a primary text of consideration in that thread; this thread is a spin off from that one concerning the passage in Job.

 

Yeah!... This is truly a bone of contention and I'm not getting into it!... But I know God has the answer and it will be what it will be.:thumbsup:

 

Neither Jesus or Abraham said "I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold." Abraham was IN HIS OWN PHYSICAL BODY when he METAPHORICALLY did see Christ by the EYE OF FAITH. Notice the past tense "and WAS glad" as an accomplished act by faith.

In direct contrast the subject of discussion with Job is his physical body and its destruction in the grave and seeing Christ with "mine eyes" and "for myself" as HIS REDEEMER. The clear hope expressed is redemption of His body.

Total perversion of the text that can only be derived by pure bias!!

 

Abraham was rejoicing and seeing when he was untying Issac. He was seeing the Son of God, the seed of Abraham, the Christ, being resurrected from the dead.

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. Heb 11:17-19

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:16

 

Beside that, the scripture you ask about applies just as my post #18.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor 15:44-46

The reason I started with V44 because it is, the man, the once living soul in soulish body, that is sown, and that man is raised in a spiritual body as a man born of the spirit. Just as the preeminent Jesus was a living soul who died and afterward, after the resurrection, was quickening Spirit man with a spiritual body.

There is a reason Col 1:18 uses the firstborn from the dead and not first resurrected from the dead.

After the verse you quoted, comes to pass, we also will be born from the dead, just as Jesus, born of the virgin Mary was so born?

 

Baloney! You don't believe the text has anything to do with Job's hope of resurrection of his body at the coming of Christ. That is clear! However, the contextual facts are equally clear which prove he most certainly does have that in view and only a biased mind with an agenda can fail to see it, as it is obvious to anyone simply seeking the truth of the passage.

 

was Jesus resurrection a spiritual or a physical one?

And do you see a future time yet for His second coming, when all the saved shall be raised up physically, or is thatall now just a spiritual resurrection already at salvation?