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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by savedbymercy, Jul 9, 2015.

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    I have read the bible many many times. The only way God buys people is by the blood of the Lamb. I asked you, do you see another way in the Scriptures?

    "Those who introduce destructive heresies deny the Lord that bought them. They reject and refuse to hear and learn of the great teacher sent from God, though he is the only Saviour and Redeemer of men, who paid a price sufficient to redeem as many worlds of sinners as there are sinners in the world." - Matthew Henry.
     
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    Suite yourself, 2 Pet 2:1 says not a word about being bought by the Blood of Christ !
     
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    And you offer no other explanation than the obvious which is bought by the blood of Christ. So it would be you suiting yourself to make it fit your own theology.
     
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    Does 2 Peter 2:1 state they were bought with the blood of Christ? Yeah or No?
     
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    Does John 1:1 state Jesus Christ is God? Yeah or No?
     
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    Here are all the passages that deal with the Lord and His purchase. As we can see, there is only one purchase recorded in the scriptures dealing with the Lord buying souls and it is only with by His shed blood.

    "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:28

    "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." Eph 1:14

    "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1Co 6:20

    "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1Co 7:23

    "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction". 2Pe 2:1

    Are you really that stubbornly sinful as to not submit yourself to God's Word on this matter? Just to cling to a man-made theology? Really? Why do that? Why not just let the Word say what it says? God's Word is so true, we can be stiff necked people when it comes to excepting or rejecting His Word.
     
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    Different subject! Does 2 Peter 2:1 state that Christ bought them with His Blood? Yes or No! That's what van said and you agreed with him!
     
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    Does 2 Peter 2:1 state that Christ bought them with His Blood? Yes or No? Van said it says that and you agreed with him!
     
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    even denying the Lord that bought them] The word for Lord (despotes), literally, a master as contrasted with a slave (1Ti_6:1-2), is used of Christ here, in the hymn, which we may fairly connect with St Peter, in Act_4:24, in Rev_6:10, and, in conjunction with the more common word for Lord (Kyrios), in Jdg_1:4. Here the choice of the word was probably determined by the connexion with the idea of “buying,” as a master buys a slave. The use of that word presents a parallelism with the thought of 1Pe_1:18, and here, as there, we have to think of the “precious blood of Christ” as the price that had been paid. No words could better assert the truth that the redemption so wrought was universal in its range than these. The sin of the teachers of these “heresies of perdition” was that they would not accept the position of redeemed creatures which of right belonged to them. The “denial” referred to may refer either to a formal rejection of Christ as the Son of God, like that of 1Jn_2:22-23, or to the practical denial of base and ungodly lives. The former is, perhaps, more prominently in view, but both are probably included. We cannot read the words without recollecting that the writer had himself, in one memorable instance, denied his Lord (Mat_26:69-75). In his case, however, the denial came from a passing cowardice and was followed by an immediate repentance. That which he here condemns was more persistent and malignant in its nature, and was as yet unrepented of.


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    Denying the Lord that bought them - It is not certain whether God the Father be intended here, or our Lord Jesus Christ; for God is said to have purchased the Israelites, Exo_15:16, and to be the Father that had bought them, Deu_32:6, and the words may refer to these or such like passages; or they may point out Jesus Christ, who had bought them with his blood; and the heresies, or dangerous opinions, may mean such as opposed the Divinity of our Lord, or his meritorious and sacrificial death, or such opinions as bring upon those who hold them swift destruction. It seems, however, more natural to understand the Lord that bought them as applying to Christ, than otherwise; and if so, this is another proof, among many,
    1. That none can be saved but by Jesus Christ.
    2. That through their own wickedness some may perish for whom Christ died.


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    That bought them (ton agorasanta autous). First aorist active articular participle of agorazō, same idea with lutroō in 1Pe_1:18. These were professing Christians, at any rate, these heretics.


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    Yes, I did agree with him. But that is not what you asked me. You asked if 2Pt 2:1 states that Christ bought them with His blood?

    It does not state that word for word but certainly is exactly what Peter is speaking of as anyone who studies the Word of God can conclude from all the other passages I provided. You on the other hand have not provided one alternative from scripture which would suggest it is NOT speaking of the blood of Christ.

    It is the exact subject YOU raised! Which is if something is not stated word for word can it be concluded just exactly what the author was speaking of? This is why you posed the question to me asking if it states the blood of Christ.

    If you cannot reference the whole of scripture and make a reasonable and just conclusion, then I don't see how you believe anyone is going to take any of your expositions seriously. This is why you are being dismissed by many here on the BB, and few are engaging you.
     
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    Does it say that Christ bought them with His Blood in 2 Peter 2:1 ?Yes or No?
     
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    Not sure what you are missing. Yes it does say that Christ bought them with His blood. No, it does not say that word for word.

    "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1Co 6:20

    "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1Co 7:23

    Do these two scriptures say that Christ bought you with His Blood? Yes or No?
     
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    No it doesn't say it, and you are bearing false witness!
     
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    Ok, if it is not the blood these verses is speaking of, then what is it saying they were bought with?

    "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1Co 6:20

    "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1Co 7:23

    You want to be a respected teacher of the Word? Then teach us? What are these verses speaking of if not the blood of Christ?
     
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    Did you want to debate or discuss the OP ?
     
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    How we determine the meaning of passages directly effects interpretations.

    You love to post scriptures and declare every man doesn't mean every man, but when the process works against your positions you want to ignore. Why is that?

    You challenged me with 2Pe 2:1. I answered you. You called me a false witness.

    I challenged you with these two scriptures...

    "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1Co 6:20

    "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1Co 7:23

    Now you give answer. What are these two verses speaking of if not the blood of Christ?
     
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    I will take that as a no!
     
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    What then? You cannot teach a simple passage concerning being bought with a price? And you want to debate more complex issues such as election??? How can anyone take you seriously? Why should anyone debate you?

    I'll give you another chance...

    "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1Co 6:20

    "Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men." 1Co 7:23

    Now you give answer. What are these two verses speaking of if not the blood of Christ?
     
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