BaptistBoard.com  
     

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%
Register FAQ Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Left Container Right Container
 
Go Back   BaptistBoard.com > Christian DEBATE Forums (All Christians) > Other Christian Denominations

Other Christian Denominations Debate other denominations' doctrines/beliefs here.

Fewer Ads for Registered Users - Register Now!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-26-2012, 12:49 AM
fortytworc's Avatar
fortytworc fortytworc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lexington, Ohio
Posts: 304
Default Does Satan "Win"? Has he already "Won"?

Depending on who to listen to there have been a total of anywhere from 96,000,000,000 (96 billion) to 108,000,000,000 (108 billion) people on this planet. That is from the first human until present time the total amount of people who have ever lived on Earth.
1,000,000,000 Catholics
400,000,000 Unaffiliated Independent Churches
217,000,000 Orthodox believers
350,000,000 Denominationally affiliated Protestants
80,000,000 Anglican
--------------------
2,047,000,000
This is the answer to "How many Christians are in the world today?" World population is currently at 7,000,000,000 (7 billion)
A little over 29% of the world’s population claim to fit into one of the categories of Christianity. I'm going to put it at 30% for easier calculation. I'm not debating who is really a Christian. I also know that there was no Christianity until approximately 2,000 years ago. BUT to be way overly liberal (mostly to make it easier to calculate) and lacking any numbers I am going to use 30% of the
Total population of 96billion. The question is "If 30% of Earths total population will be with God in heaven forever how many is that, and How many will be in Hell forever? .30 x 96,000,000,000 = 28,800,000,000
28,800,000,000 in heaven. 96,000,000,000 - 28,800,000,000 = 67,200,000,000 in Hell. The Thief comes to Steal, Kill,and Destroy. These figures would appear to indicate that Satan is winning with nothing to change His momentum.
This evokes questions like, "Why did Jesus come anyway?" "What good was His sacrifice if Satan has gotten, and will continue to get what he wants?" Don't think people don't think of these things when considering eternity.
__________________
Holiness, Righteousness, and Perfection are what Gods Law requires OF us.
Jesus, on the cross, became sin meeting those requirements, fulfilling the law FOR us.
Now we are free to experience all the Love, Grace, and Mercy He desires to lavish ON us.

But it is not all about US, US, and US
HE now will be perfectly, wholly, completely worshipped by all of creation including us
Forever, and ever, and ever as the Lamb that was slain, Who is worthy of all praise
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-26-2012, 06:42 AM
Scarlett O.'s Avatar
Scarlett O. Scarlett O. is offline
9,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 9,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fortytworc View Post
Does Satan win? Has he already won?

This evokes questions like, "Why did Jesus come anyway?" "What good was His sacrifice if Satan has gotten, and will continue to get what he wants?" Don't think people don't think of these things when considering eternity.
Psalm 18:30 - "This God - his way is perfect;the word of the Lord proves true; he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him."


God is perfect. God is sovereign. It comes as no surprise to Him who is saved and who is not. He will not be shocked by the number of people in hell and opposed to the number of people in heaven.

The Bible says that the path to hell is "broad" and the path to heaven is "narrow".

How can Satan win when he, himself, is going to burn in hell for all eternity? How can Satan win when he and God are not playing a game? How can Satan win when he and God are not opposites in conflict with one another - no yin or yang - no little devil in red on one shoulder and no little angel in white on the other shoulder? How can Satan win when he cannot compete with God?

God's perfection, worth, and holiness cannot be measured by the number of souls saved. God would be the "winner" even if just one person were to enter heaven.

Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That means that Jesus is and was the victorious Son of God before the universe was created. There is no contest here. There is no "winner" with the most points (souls).

The scripture that I cited says that God's ways are perfect. I'm good with that.
__________________
Life is not always decorated with a fancy bow, but life is a gift from God - every single day. Get up ... dress up ... show up ... look up. Your help comes from above.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As a woman, I'm not saying that I can do it all, have it all, be it all, nor know it all. My goodness, I don't even want it all. I'm not saying that I'm WonderWoman. All I am saying is that no one has ever seen me and WonderWoman in the same room.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-26-2012, 08:26 AM
fortytworc's Avatar
fortytworc fortytworc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lexington, Ohio
Posts: 304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett O. View Post
Psalm 18:30 - "This God - his way is perfect;the word of the Lord proves true; he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him."


God is perfect. God is sovereign. It comes as no surprise to Him who is saved and who is not. He will not be shocked by the number of people in hell and opposed to the number of people in heaven.

The Bible says that the path to hell is "broad" and the path to heaven is "narrow".

How can Satan win when he, himself, is going to burn in hell for all eternity? How can Satan win when he and God are not playing a game? How can Satan win when he and God are not opposites in conflict with one another - no yin or yang - no little devil in red on one shoulder and no little angel in white on the other shoulder? How can Satan win when he cannot compete with God?

God's perfection, worth, and holiness cannot be measured by the number of souls saved. God would be the "winner" even if just one person were to enter heaven.

Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That means that Jesus is and was the victorious Son of God before the universe was created. There is no contest here. There is no "winner" with the most points (souls).

The scripture that I cited says that God's ways are perfect. I'm good with that.
Amen! I don't think it could've been said any better!
__________________
Holiness, Righteousness, and Perfection are what Gods Law requires OF us.
Jesus, on the cross, became sin meeting those requirements, fulfilling the law FOR us.
Now we are free to experience all the Love, Grace, and Mercy He desires to lavish ON us.

But it is not all about US, US, and US
HE now will be perfectly, wholly, completely worshipped by all of creation including us
Forever, and ever, and ever as the Lamb that was slain, Who is worthy of all praise
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-26-2012, 02:50 PM
Yeshua1 Yeshua1 is offline
10,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 13,463
Default

God hanging on a Cross, willingly to suufer physically like none other, enduring it for the glory that was to come!

the Glory of the Cross.....

How "so like God", that the instrument seen as certain death/shame, would be turned around to be the sign of Hid glory/power...


satan "won" his defeat and eternal punishment!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-26-2012, 05:26 PM
billwald billwald is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Everett, WA USA
Posts: 11,414
Default

If I was raising cows or dogs and 80% of them had to be destroyed I would conclude that I was in the wrong business.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-26-2012, 08:09 PM
The Biblicist's Avatar
The Biblicist The Biblicist is offline
10,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 10,748
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by billwald View Post
If I was raising cows or dogs and 80% of them had to be destroyed I would conclude that I was in the wrong business.
I believe heaven will outnumber hell. Where sin abounded grace did much more abound. The number of infants in heaven alone might outnumber those in hell.
__________________
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. - Isa. 8:20

Arminianism is simply a religious expression of Humanism that makes man the captain of his own destiny. If the child of God cannot "will" or "do" anything pleasing to God apart from God working it in him (Philip. 2:13) how in the world does the Arminian think the lost man can?????
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-26-2012, 09:27 PM
Scarlett O.'s Avatar
Scarlett O. Scarlett O. is offline
9,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 9,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Biblicist View Post
I believe heaven will outnumber hell. Where sin abounded grace did much more abound. The number of infants in heaven alone might outnumber those in hell.
I’m not so sure that this verse you have referenced (Romans 5:20) is quantitative in nature.

Jesus did give some specifics, though. "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

Was Jesus giving statistics? I don't know.
__________________
Life is not always decorated with a fancy bow, but life is a gift from God - every single day. Get up ... dress up ... show up ... look up. Your help comes from above.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As a woman, I'm not saying that I can do it all, have it all, be it all, nor know it all. My goodness, I don't even want it all. I'm not saying that I'm WonderWoman. All I am saying is that no one has ever seen me and WonderWoman in the same room.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-26-2012, 09:47 PM
Thousand Hills's Avatar
Thousand Hills Thousand Hills is offline
1,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Volunteer State
Posts: 1,061
Default

Reading this thread reminded me of this verse

Quote:
31 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, 32 which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.” - Matthew 13:31-32
Satan would only win if none of God's creation gave him glory, but since Christ loved the elect "while we were still yet sinners" and "humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on the cross", and that none that the Father has given will be "snatched" out of Christ's hand, then no, Satan has not and will not win.
__________________
All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:6-8


He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Isaiah 53:11

No Brag - Just Fact
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-26-2012, 10:07 PM
just-want-peace just-want-peace is offline
4,000 Posts Club
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: S. C.
Posts: 4,738
Default

As to the OP, are you talking about a specific BATTLE, or the WAR; makes a humongous difference in the answer!
__________________
LIBERALISM IS A FATAL DISEASE!!!! (WHICH SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ALL BY NOW)

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-26-2012, 10:33 PM
fortytworc's Avatar
fortytworc fortytworc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lexington, Ohio
Posts: 304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by just-want-peace View Post
As to the OP, are you talking about a specific BATTLE, or the WAR; makes a humongous difference in the answer!
The War. The total of all born up to now.
__________________
Holiness, Righteousness, and Perfection are what Gods Law requires OF us.
Jesus, on the cross, became sin meeting those requirements, fulfilling the law FOR us.
Now we are free to experience all the Love, Grace, and Mercy He desires to lavish ON us.

But it is not all about US, US, and US
HE now will be perfectly, wholly, completely worshipped by all of creation including us
Forever, and ever, and ever as the Lamb that was slain, Who is worthy of all praise
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 AM.


The Fundamental Top 500   The Best Baptist Web Sites at Baptist411.com  
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Style Copyright: Wrestling Clique Wrestling Forum
Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
 

Christian Web Hosting for BaptistBoard.com is provided by BaptistHost.net