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Old 02-07-2006, 07:49 AM
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Prior to the fall, were they able to see God in the garden? The first part of Genesis sounds as if they were walking together in the garden.

If that was the case, then man really had seen God face to face.

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Old 02-07-2006, 09:30 AM
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A careful examination will conclude two things

Over and over Scripture is clear when it says

God "saw"

on the First day's conclusion---God "saw"

on the Second day's conclusion--again--God "saw"

on and on through the days

Concerning Adam & Eve---never does it say they "saw" God---rather---they HEARD God as He spoke---and after Eve's deception and Adam's disobedience---they "heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden

Then it says that Adam & Eve hid themselves from God's presence and then they confessed that they "heard" His voice and hid themselves from His voice.

Two things that they did see

#1 Eve "saw" that the tree was good for food

#2 They both "saw" their nakedness

But nowhere does it mention or even implies that they "saw" God face to face

Good thoughts, though Bro. Ruben---someone else will come along with more insight than what we have here in my post--I'm quiet sure of that!!

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Old 02-08-2006, 01:34 AM
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Thank you, Bro. David.

But I still believe that Adam indeed saw God, but not God the Father. It might have been Jesus.
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Old 02-08-2006, 03:07 AM
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Can it be possible that they "saw" a form or being which was truly God, but He just didn't appear to them in His full, distinctive appearance?

ok, its late, but Im trying to make sense.

Sorry [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-08-2006, 04:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by bapmom:
Can it be possible that they "saw" a form or being which was truly God, but He just didn't appear to them in His full, distinctive appearance?

ok, its late, but Im trying to make sense.

Sorry [img]smile.gif[/img]
Unless that form (or being) introduces itself as God... For how come Adam would know it was God.

I don't know, I'm just guessing here. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-08-2006, 10:13 AM
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A theophany is an appearance of the preincarnate Christ. Remember when Abraham entertained Him and then discussed with Him the destiny of Sodom?

Christ said no man has seen the Father. But plenty of men saw Christ -- including Adam and Eve.
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:12 PM
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A theophany is an appearance of the preincarnate Christ. Remember when Abraham entertained Him and then discussed with Him the destiny of Sodom?

Christ said no man has seen the Father. But plenty of men saw Christ -- including Adam and Eve.
While the preincarnate Christ may have been what OT folks saw, I do not believe this is strongly supported by scripture.

Yes, the Logos was with God and was God from the beginning. But any other roles the Logos played before becoming flesh is speculation outside of the text.
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:44 PM
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I agree with Helen. It seems to me the text describes a more personal type of fellowship.
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:44 PM
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Many scholars who take that stance that the garden wasnt literal use thses same concepts to prove their point. I wont debate it here, but it is something to think about.
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Old 02-08-2006, 03:47 PM
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Can you SEE a voice?
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