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Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by securityofficer2008, Apr 14, 2009.

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What kind of music honors God in a Church service?

  1. Christian Rock

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    63.2%

  2. Christian Rap

    12 vote(s)
    63.2%

  3. Hymns

    19 vote(s)
    100.0%

  4. Southern Gospel

    14 vote(s)
    73.7%

  5. No music...just give me preaching

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
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  1. thegospelgeek

    thegospelgeek New Member

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    What about Christian Bluegrass and Southern Gospel? Just trying to see where you are coming from.

    Where not the Old Hymns at one time contemporary? The style of music of them was at one time 'worldly'. My family come from Old Regular Baptist, they would consider you worship music worldly. The Amish consider the Old regular baptist as 'Worldly'. I am by no means saying that all music is to be used in a worship service, but how can you throw out a song that has the same type of melody and rhythm as some of the old hymns, is played on the same instruments, has lyrics that honor God and played in the same key as Old songs, just because it is new and sung by a new artist?

    I have played CCM songs on an acoustic guitar in churches much like yours, that think there is no place for modern songs. No one noticed. I have heard new songs and said "Wow, that's a great song" only to find it in an old hymnal somewhere. My point is that we can not say CCM, or any other style is bad. We must evaluate each song on it's own merit.

    Remember, each song and each artist has an audiance in mind. Some are intended to be used in church for worship, some are intended just for pleasure. Some are to challenge, some to encourage, some are even written to reach people that you or never could.

    Please try to find an interview with mark Hall, Mac Powell, Chris Tomlin, or another CCM artist to listen too. You will find that they are just like you and me. They want to praise God, the same as you. I hate rap music and do not like the look of those who perform it. But one day I caught part of an interview with a group, don't remember who, and learned that they were a very good witness for Christ.

    By the way, our church sings hymns as well.
     
    #141 thegospelgeek, Apr 16, 2009
  2. corndogggy

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_rock_and_roll

    The first coupling of the words "rock" and "roll" on record came in 1916, in a recording of a spiritual, "The Camp Meeting Jubilee", by an unnamed vocal "quartette" issued by Little Wonder Records. The lyrics include "We've been rocking and rolling in your arms / Rocking and rolling in your arms / In the arms of Moses".

    However, for many years and probably centuries previously, the term "rocking and rolling" had been used as a nautical term to denote the side-to-side and forward-and-backward motion of ships on the ocean.

    Rocking was a term also used by gospel singers in the American South to mean something akin to spiritual rapture.
     
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  3. securityofficer2008

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    Fornicating in the back seat of a car is what gave Rock and Roll its name. It was used to describe that style of music. It was associated with fornication. What do you not get about that? I don't understand why you do not get that. If the words "Puppies and Rainbows" were used to describe it than it would be bad, because it is an adjective that describes the style.
     
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  4. annsni

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    So in other words, before rock and roll, no one ever fornicated in the back of wagons, in the back of carts, in the back of the woods? Wow - I didn't realize fornication came with the music. I always thought that fornication came first.

    Oh - and I think people fornicated in the back of cars with classical music going too. Does that make classical music wrong?
     
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  5. securityofficer2008

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    Try another source, because a 10 year old can go in on wikipedia and write an article. Give me a break!
     
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  6. rbell

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    A 10 year-old can also repeat urban legends about music that have no basis in science and fact.

    I'm just sayin'...:saint:

    But what do I know? I'm only five, by your estimation...
     
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  7. securityofficer2008

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    Again you twist my words!!! The term Rock and Roll originated with fornication in the back seat of a car. Fornication did not start then, but can be traced back to the Old Testament. Fornication did not come into being with music. However, the term for Rock and Roll came into being when fornication took place in the back seat of a car. People probably did fornicated while listening to classical music, but the term classical music did not come into being when people were fornicating in the back seat of a car.

    So again I ask you...Where is the line that you draw in what you listen to and what you use for worship? What types of songs are okay in your opinion for a church service? Which kinds are not okay for a church service?
     
    #147 securityofficer2008, Apr 16, 2009
  8. corndogggy

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    http://oldies.about.com/od/oldieshistory/f/freedrocknroll.htm

    The term was originally nautical and referred to the motion of a ship; black gospel picked up on it in the 19th century as a way to describe the loving embrace of a Christian god.
     
    #148 corndogggy, Apr 16, 2009
  9. securityofficer2008

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    I told you that I was sorry for that and yet you keep bringing it up. Why? What ever happened to forgive and forget? I have not called anyone a name on here (except for tinytim) in a while. I am trying to better about that, but you are making it hard on my. Why don't you quit saying that so that I can help from stumbling? I am asking you to stop.
     
    #149 securityofficer2008, Apr 16, 2009
  10. tinytim

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    Hey, I can make up meanings to musical terms as much as SO can....

    Look..

    Bluegrass gospel stands for the hallucinations you get when you smoke grass (pot).. it turns everyone blue!

    SO.. your opinions does not equal the word of God.

    Quit trying to play God... God is not amused when you add to his word.

    How are you adding? By stating something that God did not say.

    NOWHERE in the Bible can you find condemnation for CCM.

    Go ahead and try.. and I will turn them right back on you and what you prefer.

    I've been at this since I was a teen. like I posted earlier.

    One argument I heard was that it was R&R music that Moses heard when he came down from the mountain... BUT the bible just says it was people partying.

    Ever been to a honky tonk.. .no R&R music there.. but the same chord progressions, and melodies are found in Southern Gospel...

    And I grew up in churches singing hymns and Southern Gospel music where old ladies ran up and down the aisles waving hankys..

    From the outside looking in.. it was a loud party...

    Hmmmm....
     
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    You're right. My bad...that was over the line. I'm sorry for that.
     
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  12. securityofficer2008

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    Taken from www.dictionary.reference.com

    rock and roll

    noun
    a genre of popular music originating in the 1950s; a blend of black rhythm-and-blues with white country-and-western; "rock is a generic term for the range of styles that evolved out of rock'n'roll." [syn: rock 'n' roll]
     
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  13. securityofficer2008

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    I forgive you. Thanks!
     
    #153 securityofficer2008, Apr 16, 2009
  14. rbell

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    I'm bowing out...no sense in me getting too involved and going over the line...:wavey:
     
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    Still don't see any mention of car sex between unmarried couples...
     
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  16. securityofficer2008

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    I am at work right now. I am not going to look it up here. I will have to do this at home and get back to you.
     
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  17. annsni

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    So when before the term "rock and roll" was coined to mean a certain type of music that people listened to to fornicate in the back of cars, was it OK? How about we call it Contemporary Christian Music and not Rock and Roll (which actually I haven't heard it called rock and roll in like a gazillion years)? Does the term make the difference? You're arguing against a term - but we're not even using the term. Then you argue that it's the music that played while people were fornicating - yet people fornicated to the crickets chirping too and I don't think that the crickets chirping is wrong. If anything, why don't we eliminate back seats since that seems to be the whole issue with rock and roll. :laugh:

    OK - now on to some good questions. I can answer you for our church - not for other churches - and for my husband's and my standards (since we ARE one flesh I can kind of have an influence on what is played in church - remember he's the worship pastor). Here we go:

    Music that is played at church:

    1) Music that is focused on God and His glory.

    2) Music that is playable and singable. It's no use in getting a great song with great words that is just unsingable for a congregation. Some of these songs are better as "performance songs" rather than for congregational singing.

    3) Songs that are theologically sound.

    I'd say that is it in a nutshell. I'm sure I can expand on those but those are the 3 keys for us.

    Songs that we listen to:

    Since my husband is very musical, we've always had music around. We also are products of the 80s and were into the alternative music back then - REM, U2, The Ramones, B52s, etc. Yeah, some of it is bad - but some of it is good and some of it is just downright fun. We don't listen to that music a lot anymore but every once in a while, when I'm home alone and need to clean this mess, I'll put on the B52s and sing along with them (hence the "home alone").

    However, 98% of the music we listen to is worship stuff. I'll listen to some other Christian music that is not worship but I'm not into it as much. Some of the Christian songs are pretty shallow, IMO and I don't like to listen to that stuff (Jesus - you make me happy ... kind of songs) but I certainly will listen to Watermark, Casting Crowns, Delirious, etc. They are some great musicians and I appreciate their hearts for the Lord. I've met Martin Smith from Delirious and what a humble man.

    OH! That's another biggie for me. If a band is going to label themselves as Christian, they need to live it. I've met and spent time with numerous artists and I can see authentic Christianity and those who are not. We did a concert once at a local amusement park with 4 different well-known bands. One of the bands, who will remain nameless, was so self-centered that they wouldn't even talk to us lowly workers. I noticed them with their girlfriends and was very uncomfortable with the way they were acting with them. Immediately upon coming home, I tossed their CDs. They were great musicians with great words singing for the Lord - but they showed me clearly where their allegiance lies. It was not with the Lord. Then we did another concert at our church - we hosted the Passion Subway Series over 4 years ago with Louie Giglio teaching and Charlie Hall leading worship. Oh my word! Those men are true men of God. To this day, they will contact my husband and tell him that they're praying for us and our ministry to the college students in NY. They remember my husband's injury and ask about it - having laid hands on him the night of the concert when he was in particular pain (which made the entire program 15 minutes late because they were REALLY praying and not just giving token prayers). I respect these men and will continue to buy Charlie's CDs because I KNOW his heart for God along with the rest of his bandmates. Not every song he does is one we'd do in church, but they are certainly songs I'll listen to.

    I know that was a long answer, but I think it more fully explains what we do here in NY at our church and in our family. We don't only do contemporary songs - we don't do heavy rock songs (they would not be singable for the congregation - and I think that heavy rock is icky - LOL) but we DO use contemporary songs that we feel worship the Lord God and are useful for the church to enter into worship.
     
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    Be that as it may, it still doesn't make rock and roll bad, unless you're suggesting that rock and roll isn't bad by nature, but only because of the implications of its name, in which case all we have to do is change its name.

    I get it just fine. I've never said that the term "rock and roll" didn't refer to the motion cars made when people have sex in them.

    My point is that something is either wrong or right, regardless of what you choose to call it.

    OK, so then, if rock and roll is bad because we've called it rock and roll and rock and roll refers to the motions cars make when you have ses in them and it remains bad when you call it "puppies and rainbows", what negative thing does "puppies and rainbows" refer to?
     
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  19. tinytim

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    Thank you Ann.. I agree 100%.
    OH, and I have had the pleasure of sitting under the teaching of Lou Giglio also!..
     
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    Your source it originated in "a back seat of a car"?
     
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