Your View On The Roman Catholics

I believe I answered that.

Are you saying that if a person ever doesn't listen to the Holy Spirit on an issue he can not be a Christian?

 

Again a different debate, I am in 100% agreement with that.

So you also agree with certainty that every single person that is a catholic is bound for hell and there are no exceptions to this?

 

Why? There are those who are saved who never move past spiritual infancy.

 

Finally someone sees my point.

 

I can show you some christians who've been saved 30 or 40 years and they're still babies.

 

Agree with who? No one has said that. I'm talking about doctrine. The doctrine of the RCC is false. I do believe there are Catholics that are saved, but I don't believe a born again believer will be able to stay in the RCC and follow all their rules and catechisms without intense conviction of the Holy Spirit. He will lead them out.

 

I believe Catholics are Christians.

Can you give some specifics regarding why you do not believe Catholics are Christians?

 

Uh oh...

 

That is exactly the point I have been debating against when you jumped in.

I agree with that, that is not the debate at hand.

For the majority I would agree, but when someone says in absolutes that there are no exceptions and there is never a person who could be an exception to that is where I disagree.

 

I'm new here. Just started today. Seeing lots of angry posts against Catholics-actually quite a few threads on Catholic topics.

Is this an anti-Catholic site or something? Just asking.

 

No, but there are several anti-catholics. But don't worry, we've also got ant-7th day adventists, anti-canvinists, and anti-preterists, not to mention people who are anti-contemporary music, anti-women wearing pants, anti-any bible translation besides the KJV, and even one person who's anti-woman wearing workout attire at the local gym.

So you're fitting right in. :wavey:

 

Johnv,

What was the "uh oh. . ." about?

 

Basically, we're just a bunch of sinners saved by grace. You just have to accept us, warts and all. Some of us just have more warts than others. I'm sure many would say I fit in that category. :tongue3:

 

If by Anticatholic it is mean that that person is against the Roman Catholic church, then I are one. :thumbsup:

The best statement I have read on the papacy is:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )

1689 London Baptist Confession

 

Are you Catholic?

 

1. I've had many discussions with Catholics and have Catholic friends. I do not know of even one, who actually prays to Mary. They may ask for her help, but they do not pray to her the way one prays to Christ.

2. As for the bread and wine becoming the literal body of Christ; I've given this much thought. There are Scriptures that do point to this. I'm sure you are all aware of them. I plan to do more study regarding when the idea of the real presence began and when it fell out of favor with Protestants. Many of you may be farther along in your studies, and can provide some quotes from early church fathers compared to Reformation and Post-reformation writers. I welcome any resources you may have.

Regarding the Lord's Supper; we are most familiar with the passage, in Luke 22:19, where Christ says, "Do this in remembrance of me." These are usually the words spoken by Baptist ministers during the Lord's Supper.

However, in searching the Scriptures, I found many passages that speak of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. Jesus said, "I am the bread of life."

Jesus also said, "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;" and "my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink." So, do we accept His Words as spoken? Are they literal or symbolic?

John Chapter 6 has given me much to ponder on this issue:

I am rather perplexed by the way certain passages of Scripture, such as the creation story in Genesis, are taken literally; and others are reduced to allegory.

I don't think we can condemn our Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ, because they accept Christ's words, literally, as spoken. I do not see how this is teaching a different Gospel.

Many other passages of Scripture also point to consuming the body and blood of Christ.

3. As for the Pope and Apostolic Succession, I need to do more study on that issue. I do admire the unity in belief of the Catholic Church.

There are times when I feel like I am drowning in a sea of Protestant voices.
There are so many disagreements within Protestantism. So I'm not sure how well we are doing.

I have attended churches where Baptist ministers required far more loyalty to their teachings, than the Pope expects from Catholics.

4. As for indulgences, I need to do more study on that as well. I can say that I have seen some disturbing practices with Protestant TV Evangelists connecting sending them donations within a certain time period to receive your own financial blessings. So, Protestants have some issues regarding money, also.

I do believe in studying and get all the facts in any situation. I think if we want to know what Catholics believe, we should ask Catholics directly.

I do believe that Catholics are Christians. From some of the angry posts against Catholics already posted here, I have a feeling some of you may hate me as well.

In Christ,
Anna

 

No, I am not Catholic. Why would you think I am Catholic?