Tebow our starter!!!

[ccrobinson]

First I have never said he was. Second being a QB is more than passing and when you look at the big pic there is more here.

You were the one who said his stats, which included the 45% completion percentage, were "not bad". Let's do the math here. If his stats are "not bad", then can we reasonably conclude that you think his stats were "good"? Then can we reasonably conclude that you think he's a good QB?

I will agree that being a QB is more than passing, but you must agree that the main thing a QB should be able to do is consistently pass the ball well. And Tebow does not consistently pass the ball well. This isn't really up for debate. A QB who cannot complete more than 50% of his passes simply will not be able to keep his job on a long-term basis in the NFL. He may have short-term success, but, unless he somehow makes huge gains in accuracy, it will eventually catch up to him.

 

[ccrobinson]

This is the sports section of the FELLOWSHIP boards, this section in not in the DEBATE section.

That doesn't matter one bit. If we can't debate sports here, then the sports section should go away.

I rest my case...

So, you rest your case that Tebow is a good QB on one game. Well, I'm going to use 2 games to determine that he's not good and I choose the Buffalo and Kansas City games. In the week 16 Buffalo game, he was 13 for 29 for 185, had 3 picks, lost a fumble and had a rating of 37.9. In the week 17 Kansas City game, he was 6 for 22 for 60 yards with 1 pick and 1 fumble and had a rating of 20.6.

Cherry-picking 1 or 2 games to determine if a QB is good or bad is a bad idea.

...besides, Tebow himself says "win or lose, Lord, I want to give you the Glory"

Lots of other players are Christian too and they say the same thing. What does that have to do with being a good NFL QB?

 

[mandym]

I am completely amazed by the Christian Tebow haters. Astounding

 

[InTheLight]

I am completely amazed by the Christian Tebow haters. Astounding

Nobody on BB hates Tim Tebow. I like the guy. I hope he wins the Super Bowl. He's a great testimony. Great quarterback? Not so much. I hope he gets better at it.

And that's the whole argument--great guy, not so great of a QB. Why can't you see that?

 

[mandym]

Nobody on BB hates Tim Tebow. I like the guy. I hope he wins the Super Bowl. He's a great testimony. Great quarterback? Not so much. I hope he gets better at it.

And that's the whole argument--great guy, not so great of a QB. Why can't you see that?

Sorry but your sincerity on your statements here are questionable at best because , as I have proven, when someone posts just to praise his testimony you have to tear him down.

Your attitude toward Tebow, being harsh and excessively judgmental, reminds me of why it has been said "I like your Jesus but do not like His followers".

 

[webdog]

I am completely amazed by the Christian Tebow haters. Astounding

...and I'm completely amazed by your ignorance.

Your attitude toward Tebow, being harsh and excessively judgmental, reminds me of why it has been said "I like your Jesus but do not like His followers".

Your attitude towards those here leaves you no room to call out anyone's attitude.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Nobody on BB hates Tim Tebow. I like the guy. I hope he wins the Super Bowl. He's a great testimony. Great quarterback? Not so much. I hope he gets better at it.

And that's the whole argument--great guy, not so great of a QB. Why can't you see that?

There seems to be an idea in some minds that unless you are a die-hard Tebow fan and agree that he is an amazing quarterback you must not be right with God.

I like the kid. I love his testimony. I hope he does well. But it is only a game and he is not a superstar. He may be one day, but not now.

I don't think that makes me, or others who feel the same way, a hater.

 

[mandym]

There seems to be an idea in some minds that unless you are a die-hard Tebow fan and agree that he is an amazing quarterback you must not be right with God.

Really? Who said that?

I like the kid. I love his testimony. I hope he does well. But it is only a game and he is not a superstar. He may be one day, but not now.

I don't think that makes me, or others who feel the same way, a hater.

You are ignoring some facts here. Every time someone posts something praising him (even if it is only about his testimony) others feel an uncontrollable need to respond negatively about him. So the facts are in on this.

 

[InTheLight]

Every time someone posts something praising him (even if it is only about his testimony) others feel an uncontrollable need to respond negatively about him. So the facts are in on this.

Or maybe every time someone posts something about his deficient passing skills you have to pipe in and complain about it.

 

[mandym]

Or maybe every time someone posts something about his deficient passing skills you have to pipe in and complain about it.

Since you cannot back that up with any evidence I will assume you are grasping at straws. But you however, in post # 71, quoted someone who said nothing about his playing ability and only spoke of his testimony and turned it into an opportunity to continue your unnecessary criticism of how you see his playing ability. What is plain is folks like yourself cannot stand to see anything positive said about him regardless of the subject matter. A clear example of the hate.

 

[mandym]

You were the one who said his stats, which included the 45% completion percentage, were "not bad".

First I have never said that but i have no problem saying that now. They are good and the "stats" are not only made up of passing. Of course in all of the unwarranted criticism I have seen the other portion of his "stats" that place him in a much better light gets left out. Gee I wonder why?

 

[InTheLight]

A clear example of the hate.

Previously I said:

I like the guy. I hope he wins the Super Bowl. He's a great testimony.

So that's what hate looks like in your world?

 

[mandym]

Previously I said:


So that's what hate looks like in your world?

Great, clear up post 71 and I will recant and repent of the whole thing.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I think it's great that you like and admire his testimony. So do I. But that doesn't make him a good quarterback. I think some people give him credit at being a good quarterback because he's a good Christian. It doesn't necessarily follow.

Here is post 71. Where is the hate?

 

[dcorbett]

So, you rest your case that Tebow is a good QB on one game.

No, I rest my case that Tebow is playing tomorrow night and Big Ben is not. Tebow is a work in progress, he is not where he WILL be. And I will be glad to say I knew he would when he does.

Lots of other players are Christian too and they say the same thing. What does that have to do with being a good NFL QB?

It is the fact that he is in the spotlight. If you haven't seen the stats on his popularity on Twitter and Facebook, I don't know where you have been!!! I got an e-mail from Billy Graham Evangelical Association declaring that, because of Tebow throwing for 316 yards, averaging 31.6 a throw, they had more hits on their website than ever before because people want to find out about John 3:16 !!!

I admire and respect the young man - both for his abilities AND his testimony.

 

[padredurand]

No, I rest my case that Tebow is playing tomorrow night and Big Ben is not.

Which in the grand scheme of things wins/losses is the only 'stat' that matters. 10 years from now nobody really cares if you played well or poorly. The question will be, "Did he win or lose?"

In Super Bowl XXXII, Elway completed only 12 of 22 passing attempts, throwing one interception and no touchdowns! Anyone remember that? Packers were favored by 11 and lost to the Broncos 31-24. Oh, I remember that part!

Craig Morton led the Orange Crush to the first winning season in Broncos history. Anybody remember his passer ratings? Denver lost Super Bowl XII 27-10 to the cowboys. Oh, I remember that.....

 

[convicted1]

Whew!! And I thought he wasn't gonna make it as an NFL caliber QB. Whew that was sure a close call.

Bad stats in a bad played game.

Lost 45-10......9/26 136 yds.....'nuff said. Time to start him as an H-back like Frank Wychek of the Oilers/Titans.....

 

[mandym]

Lost 45-10......9/26 136 yds.....'nuff said.

I am sure it is for those who are just looking to tear him down.

 

[preacher4truth]

It seems he has to stay a QB, and be loved as a QB or people are alleged to be "against" him. If they don't love for him to remain a QB and support him at that position, then it's just hate and/or persecution?

Like Urlacher said "He's a good RB." :thumbsup:

Nothing against the kid, I'm happy he professes Christ, I just happen to think he can have a testimony as a RB as well as a QB.

I'm glad my team doesn't have the drama that comes with the kid. If it were my choice, based on his QB stats, I'd cut ties with him. I know, spare me, that means I'm an apostate. :laugh:

Convicted1, I agree with what you say here.

I wonder if he came to the Pats, if the fans there would want him to supplant Brady??

- Peace

 

[ccrobinson]

First I have never said that but i have no problem saying that now.

Would you care to retract that?

Here's a link.

Your wrongheaded assumption is that he does this just because he cannot pass. The whole game is not about passing and his passing stats are not bad.

They are good and the "stats" are not only made up of passing. Of course in all of the unwarranted criticism I have seen the other portion of his "stats" that place him in a much better light gets left out. Gee I wonder why?

A 45% passing completion percentage is good? Where do you get the idea that 45% is good?

Perhaps you'd care to post where I've given unwarranted criticism. For example, I gave Tebow his props for completing passes at 30 yards per catch against the Steelers. Just because you don't like the criticism doesn't mean it's unwarranted.

Lots of other players are Christian too and they say the same thing. What does that have to do with being a good NFL QB?

It is the fact that he is in the spotlight.

You seem to misunderstand the question. How does being in the spotlight make Tim Tebow a good NFL QB? I didn't ask how it makes him a better Christian or a better person, I asked how it made him a better QB. What skillset of his is enhanced by being in the spotlight? I am separating Tim Tebow the Star from Tim Tebow the QB and I want to know how what Tebow does that everybody admires him for makes him a better QB.