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That is not God's will. He wills that many perish;
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God's will is always accomplished;
9Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.


God will save everyone he has purposed to save in the Covenant of grace....
no more...no less

 

Your word directly contradicts God's Word (2 Peter 3:9). Let God be true and every man a liar. God does not will that any perish. They perishing is of their own stubborn refusal to obey God.

 

Who mixes works with grace on the BB? Perhaps you confuse the mingling of faith and works, without which faith is dead, i.e., ineffectual and actually non-existent.

Who here says man can come to God without God's grace? Are you just misrepresenting people or what?

The only perversion of doctrine I see is the doctrine you wrongly surmise that others have, when in fact they don't, apparently all just to push your own agenda, but I could be wrong, and you actually know that you are wrongly depicting others' views in order to make them look bad, in which case the scenario is worse than I thought.

All Baptists do that, or else they're not true Baptists.

I never said Calvinism is from hell. It's from the mind of man but not the mind of God. Divisiveness is also from man, and Paul said not to have anything to do with divisive people.

 

In that very verse, you can see "to us-ward". Now, their rebuttal will be that He is not willing that any of the "to us-ward" would perish. They think that the "to us-ward" = the elect. So they're stating that God isn't willing that any of His elect perish, but that all(the elect=all), come to repentence. Now, I can't make a rubberband stretch as far as they stretch this verse, but this will be their rebuttal. Mark this down......

 

Thanks but for me, there is none better than Sinclair Ferguson

http://feedingonchrist.com/sinclair-ferguson-basics-conference-videos-on-union-with-christ/

 

Why dont you read the post(218) Jon just posted right above you JB. Your acting out like a child. Want a pacifier?

 

This is ridiculous beyond belief. Not only is it phenomenally ignorant, it is deeply offensive.

It is ignorant because it ignores the fact that some of the greatest and most powerfully used Christians of all time have been thorough going Calvinists.

To say the entire theology of the pilgrims and the puritans, most of the founders of this nation, the father of modern missions- William Carey, the 'prince of preachers'- Charles Spurgeon, the instruments of the Great Awakening- Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield; to say that the theology of such people is out of the pit of hell is dumb beyond belief. People who have no better sense than to say such a thing ought to have the humility to not speak on such matters.

It is offensive for extraordinarily obvious reasons.

 

Yeah, all of you say that God did not cause people to sin. That would shut me up for a minute or two through pure shock and disbelief.

 

would that it were not longer....much much longer:smilewinkgrin:

 

There have been many more RCC scholars thoughout history than DoG scholars.

Does that mean that the RCC doctrine is biblical?

John

 

Say that about a non-cal or arminian, it gets snipped with infractions and 'PM's.'

 

That's why I stated we remain at odds with each other. Too many unwarranted shots across the bow. We need to disagree, but do so in a manner that doesn't become unseemly.

 

Name 5 of them who are highly respected and appreciated by evangelical Christians.

Hey, name five of them that any of us on baptistboard even recognize.

Or even better, name five of them from off the top of your OWN head. How many of them are YOU PERSONALLY familiar with?

Enter the Jeopardy theme song...

 

I have to agree.

 

Haha, good one! Who knows, maybe my iPhone will explode at y'all's confession that God doesn't cause sin.

Actually I just read your statement and it actually means you wish it were shorter. How funny!

"would that it were not longer"

 

Dont start with that crap :laugh:

 

Ambrose, Augustine, Anthony Antonius, Francis, Ignatius, Ignatius Loyola, Thomas Aquinas, Boniface, Linus, Cletas, Clemen, Jerome, Clement, Bonaventure, Duns Scotus.... they will say Peter.

32 yrs ..... RC....couldnt resist!

 

You haven't a clue what God's will is.

The Bible does say this These had no humility and boasted on their accomplishments.

Nonsense if this were so you could prove it with scripture and you can't.

Do you really believe what you have said here is supported with the passages you have posted?
MB

 

Hello Jonathan,
Thanks for taking the time to respond. At this time we do not see things the same way.....but lets see if we can close the distance between us scripturally.
Look at what Willis posts here.

Jonathan....Willis is correct in that we respond with keeping the verse in context. Then Willis expresses his thought that this is a stretch....well lets look together....Jonathan take your time with this...go back and read post 221 with the very good verses from isa.''''ok...then i will answer your second response also:thumbs:

Let me demonstrate why we see it differently..ok?
Jonathan...Peter is helping out the saints , the elect.... warning of scoffers and false teachers...agreed???
2 Peter 1

1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall

Are we agreed...take a minute to read the whole epistle leading up to 3:9..I will highlight the contrast between the elect and the false teacher...the elect and the scoffer...look at the highlighted portion and ask yourself...is it addressed to everyone? or US? everyone..or the Beloved???

Now ....look at your response to me....can you see it now???