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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Sep 18, 2012.

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  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

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    Yes, its the fruit of the Regeneration, where Christ sits in His Mediatoral Glory ! So its being born from above where Christ sets on the Right hand of God Col 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
     
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  2. The Biblicist

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    Read the verse you quote! He is not sitting on "HIS THRONE" but at the right hand of the Father's Throne.
     
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    The Right Hand of God and His Throne are the same ! Its talking about God's Throne, for Jesus is God also !
     
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  4. The Biblicist

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    No it is not! Matthew 25:31 proves they are not. Matthew 25:31 proves that he is NOT NOW on sitting on the throne referred to in Matthew 25:31.

    He does not sit on that throne until "THEN" at his second advent and it is not in heaven but ON EARTH! That throne is called "HIS THONE" while the throne in heaven is the Father's throne over all creation. The phrase "on the right hand" is NEVER used of any king sitting on his own throne.

    Furthermore, He came to claim an inheritance that Adam lost and Adam did not lose the throne in heaven but the throne of rule over this earth!
     
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  5. savedbymercy

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    A Priest Upon His Throne !

    Zech 6:13

    Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

    This is a Prophecy of Christ and His Mediatorial Work after Offering Himself as a Sin Offering for His People, and He sits on HIS THRONE.

    The Word Throne means:

    seat (of honour), throne, seat, stool

    a) seat (of honour), throne

    b) royal dignity, authority, power (fig.)


    Christ Now has a Seat of Honor at the Right Hand of God, with all Authority and Power in His Hand !

    He was exalted to this Throne of Honor Acts 2:33

    Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    Acts 5:31

    Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Phil 2:9

    Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    Highly Exalted here means:

    metaph. to exalt to the highest rank and power, raise to supreme majesty

    Yes, He sits on His Throne of Glory at the Right Hand of God !
     
    #65 savedbymercy, Sep 24, 2012
  6. The Biblicist

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    Your problem is that all the texts you have used, except for Zechariah do not refer to the throne of Matthew 25:31 and YOU KNOW IT! Matthew 25:31 is still YET FUTURE and that throne is located ON EARTH and not in heaven.

    Zechariah speaks of building a temple ON EARTH and ruling on a throne where the temple is ON EARTH (Mt. 25:31). Christ did not build a temple IN HEAVEN and he reigns on a throne where he builds the temple ON EARTH.

    Furthermore, He is not sitting on "his" throne in heaven right now but the Father is the One who has exalted him in heaven now to his "right hand" which is a metaphor for SECOND PLACE to the Father. However, in Matthew 25:31 he comes as King of kings and Lord of lords NOT OVER kings in heaven or Lord's in heaven but over Kings and lords on earth.

    Also, as the Priest King he came to restore what Adam lost and Adam did not lose any throne in heaven. Adam's rule was over this earth.

    What you are doing is what you have done with scripture in most of your false doctrines. You have taken one truth and PITTED it against another truth and thus taken one scripture and PITTED against other scriptures.

    Matthew 25:31 deals with the only throne Christ will sit upon as "his" throne ON EARTH as the Second Adam who has reclaimed what Adam lost - rule over this earth.
     
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    The only rule of Christ now in heaven is over HIS SPIRITUAL KINGDOM on earth through the indwelling Spirit of Christ. He is not ruling over THIS WORLD yet, as Satan is still the "GOD OF THIS WORLD" and this Satan's WORLD SYSTEM. Christ has not yet reclaimed the rule over THIS WORLD that Adam lost. He does not claim that rule until he PUTS DOWN ALL AUTHORITIES on earth and sits upon HIS THRONE which is ON EARTH vacated by Adam and usurped by Satan and that does not occur until Matthew 24:31:

    31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    This is the "regeneration" described in Matthew 19:28 when the RULE of Christ is established ON EARTH over the kingdoms of THIS WORLD when he regains what Adam lost. Adam did not lose a throne IN HEAVEN! You cannot deal with Matthew 25:31 and the specific time "when...then...he shall sit upon the throne of his glory." So you just pit scripture against it that refers to another kind of reign in heaven over his spiritual kingdom.
     
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    Yes they do. Matt 25:31,32

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:



    The then in that verse refers to His Purpose of Judgment of the World, the Great White Throne, that will merely be another aspect of His Throne of Glory now in Manifestation for that Judgment !

    Matt 25:31 is merely the Manifestation of this 2 Tim 4:1

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

    Christ now sits on His Throne of Glory, however it is not seen yet, but then you will see it, and your false teaching will be discovered to you then also !
     
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    Union with Christ before believing in Him !

    Before any man or woman can believe in or on Christ regarding Justification or Salvation, they must first be in Union with Him Spiritually, that is already abiding in Him, we know this by Christ's words here Jn 15:5

    I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    Jesus alludes to the same truth here Jn 6:56

    56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

    The eating and drinking here signifies believing or appropriating Christ by Faith, and Jesus said, the ones doing that, are dwelling or abiding in Him, and He is in them ! That denotes Pre Union !

    In other words, their believing is the fruit of being in Him and Him being in them by Spiritual New Birth. We must first be a branch in the Vine before we can bear fruit, and Faith is one of the Fruits of the Spirit Gal 5:22 !

    The Ground must first be made good before the Gospel message can take root and bring forth fruit Matt 13:23

    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    Notice the words here bringeth forth, meaning fruit and observe the same in Jn 15:5

    5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    Without Christ, separate from we can do nothing, spiritually as to believe or rest in Him for all of Salvation !

    So before believing, one must be already united to Christ, we must be, before we can believe in Him !
     
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    The word "then" does not describe purpose but TIME. You do not know what you are talking about and you are teaching flat error!

    No one denies that Christ now sits at the right hand of the Father ruling over his SPIRITUAL kingdom but Matthew 25:31 nor Matthew 19:28 deal with his SPIRITUAL kingdom but with the VISIBLE kingdom on earth that encompasses all kings and lords. You have no clue what you speak about and worse yet, you have no spiritual ability to even understand the truth if it starred you in the face.
     
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    I just told you what it meant.

    At the Second Coming of Christ THEN all Nations shall be gathered before Him and His Throne for Judgment !
     
    #71 savedbymercy, Oct 3, 2012
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    No, that is not what you said! You said the word "then" referred to PURPOSE and it has nothing, nothing to do with "purpose" but with TIME. The second coming is the TIME he sits upon the throne of his glory and it is at that TIME he judges the nations ON EARTH over a VISIBLE kingdom and that is precisely what Matthew 19:28 is referring to - HIS VISIBLE KINGDOM on earth not his SPIRITUAL kingdom. You can't distinguish between the difference. One is now - spiritual - the other is later - visible rule. One is at the right hand in heaven now, - the other is ON EARTH on HIS OWN THRONE upon which the Father does not sit as the Father is still seated on his throne in heaven when Christ is ON EARTH. You don't understand the difference between the rule as THE SECOND ADAM over this earth versus High Preist in Heaven - go learn the difference!

    Go learn these distinctions because until you do you will pervert the scriptures by your rash hands.
     
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    That is exactly what I said. Christ is now presently on His Throne of Glory which you deny. Now that Throne of Glory shall have a future visible manifestation for all the world to see, however Christ is now sitting on His Throne of Glory at the Right Hand of the Father !
     
    #73 savedbymercy, Oct 3, 2012
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    Like all of your falsehoods, you pit one truth against
    another because you are incapable of discerning and distinguishing between things that differ.

    The throne he sits upon in Matthew 19:28;25:31 is ON EARTH and it is a rule over ALL KINGS and kingdoms ON EARTh AND IS YET FUTURE.

    The throne he sits AT THE RIGHT HAND of is IN HEAVEN and it is the Father's Throne and the Father continues to sit upon that throne IN HEAVEN when Christ comes and sits upon "HIS THRONE of glory" ON EARTH.

    Two different thrones in two different locations and thus impossible to be ONE AND THE SAME.

    The Father's throne REMAINS in heaven when Christ sits upon HIS VISIBLE THRONE ON EARTH - ruling over his VISIBLE inheritance - This proves you position to be 100% error.
     
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    You just reject the truth, God has ordained that you teach a false Gospel, You will never believe the Truth ! You are one of the ones that God has sent a strong delusion to believe a Lie. My posting here is just to make that evident !
     
    #75 savedbymercy, Oct 3, 2012
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    You are the deceived one and it is self-evident and here is the reason why - YOU CAN"T RESPOND to the arguments I gave - All you can do is condemn the messanger while deflecting the message.
     
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    I have responded, nothing you argue has changed what I have posted. The Truth remains !

    But you have been ordained to believe a lie. Sorry, I cannot reverse God's decesion on that !
     
    #77 savedbymercy, Oct 3, 2012
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    You are one sorry excuse for a person. Now you are claiming to know the mind of God. Now you are usurping the office of Jesus Christ as he is the only man who could claim to know the mind of God. Now he has a competitor in SBM who now can proclaim to the world he knows exactly who has been ordained by God and what precise decision God has made for a specific person. You have just confirmed yourself to be a heretic.
     
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    You believe a lie and teach a lie, God ordained it ! The God I worship and serve ordained everything.
     
    #79 savedbymercy, Oct 3, 2012
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    Your interpretations have been shown false by the context of scripture. You cannot respond and have NEVER responded to Isa. 46:11. You have not responded to the context of Romans 3:24 as explained by Romans 3:25-5:2 which is justification BY FAITH.

    Instead you PLAY GOD and pretend you know the MIND of God in regard to specific individuals. You are a liar sir and a grevious one at that. You lie about scripture, you lie about others and the whole basis of your doctrines are perversions of the Biblical context.
     
    #80 The Biblicist, Oct 3, 2012
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