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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by makahiya117, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. makahiya117

    makahiya117 New Member

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    The topic is final authority and final canonization.

    The question is do you have scripture ?

    Please answer the question and state your theory of final authority

    and final canonization.
     
    #141 makahiya117, Apr 5, 2013
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    Then why don't you clearly and simply explain it instead of often parroting the same comments.
     
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  3. makahiya117

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    Be Sincere and Answer the Question

    Why don't you respond to the thread topic

    instead of simply attacking KJV Holy Bibles ?


    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved bibles of all time.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved books of all time.

    ( USA Bible Society 2013 )


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    The topic is final authority and final canonization.

    The question is do you have scripture ?

    Please answer the question and state your theory

    of final authority and final canonization.
     
    #143 makahiya117, Apr 5, 2013
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    Logos1560 Well-Known Member
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    I have responded to the thread topic. Disagreeing with your opinions is not attacking the KJV as you falsely claim.

    You do not respond to the proper responses that you have been given.

    You will not answer questions and will not deal with the sound evidence that points out serious problems in your theory.
     
    #144 Logos1560, Apr 5, 2013
  5. makahiya117

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    The question is do you have scripture ?
     
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    Your question has already been answered more than once. Are you unable to comprehend English? What purpose is served by your repeating or parroting the same few comments? Are you uninformed so that you are unable to back up your own claims?

    Yes, I have Scripture.

    There is no sound, scriptural case for making exclusive only claims for one English translation--the KJV.
     
    #146 Logos1560, Apr 5, 2013
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    What was the KJV translators authority for picking the canon they chose (not even factoring in their inclusion of non-canonical material)?

    In other words, wouldn't the authority to choose the 66 books for them be the same as you?

    And if that is the case, which it has to be, then aren't you admitting that your final authority has been passed down to you from tradition rather than a Biblical command (i.e. the KJV says nothing about which books should be in the canon; nor does any legit Bible translation)?

    Love to see where you go with this.
     
    #147 Greektim, Apr 5, 2013
  8. makahiya117

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    KJV Psalms 12:6-7
    6 The words of the LORD are pure words:
    as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD,
    thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    The Lord preserved his words, not the church and not the scholars !


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    You do not understand the Purified Text Theory.


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    The topic is final authority and final canonization.

    The question is do you have scripture ?

    Please answer the question and state your theory of final authority

    and final canonization.
     
    #148 makahiya117, Apr 5, 2013
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    Psalm 12 does not refer to or teach any "purified text theory." Does your purified text theory suggest that the words that proceeded directly from the mouth of God had some impurities in them and needed to go through a purification process?

    Psalm 12 is not saying that there were some impurities in the words that God gave by inspiration to the prophets and apostles and that they had to go through a purification process to remove them. Perhaps you are emphasizing the wrong part of the verse and misinterpreting it in such a way that it makes it contradict the truth that was stated.

    The phrase "purified seven times" (Ps. 12:6) confirms the truth of the earlier statement "the words of the LORD are [100%] pure words" and thus it indicates that God's Word was 100% absolutely, completely, and perfectly pure when given by God. This phrase clearly does not indicate that the words of God had some impurities or contamination and needed to go through an improvement process of seven purifications in seven English translations or in seven purifications of the various editions of the KJV. What is stated is the fact that "the words of the LORD are pure words" meaning 100% absolute pure, and then an illustration or comparison is given [as] to confirm that truth, not to contradict it by suggesting that there were some impurities in the pure words.
     
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    In other words I have to answer your questions but you don't have to answer mine. This is why I avoid debating w/ KJVO's. Their inconsistency is wrank!

    To help you, your purified text theory being preserved by God (even allowing Ps 12 being about preserving Scripture) still requires church tradition since that is how we are made aware of this 66 book canonical tradition which God himself preserved. Otherwise you are saying that God has given you extra-biblical insight into the canon since he is the one preserving it.
     
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    I am not a KJV Only or an Original Only.


    I have repeatedly stated that I believe all scripture

    is given by inspiration of God.


    You do not understand the Purified Text Theory.
     
    #151 makahiya117, Apr 5, 2013
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    What is the purified text theory?
     
    #152 jbh28, Apr 5, 2013
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    I smell a troll.
     
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    A small, hairy, non-English speaking one at that.
     
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  15. makahiya117

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    Scripture is the Final Authority

    KJV 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
    and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
    for instruction in righteousness:

    KJV 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
    how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
    according to the scriptures.

    KJV John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
    out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
     
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    :laugh:

    Truth: I have been on both sides of this argument. The last church I was in was KJVO and they put the fear in me that all other versions were corrupt. I went along, even defending that position, but it never felt quite right. Now I have been freed from that wrong headed teaching and I am even exploring the ESV. :eek:

    :godisgood:
     
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    Do you intend to make a point before this thread closes?

    We ALL believe those scriptures! What is your agenda here??
     
    #157 Amy.G, Apr 5, 2013
  18. makahiya117

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    I have listed 1 example, I have Examined 337 corrupt readings.

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    KJV - For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
    but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

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    2 Corinthians 2:17 the warning against many who "corrupt the word of God" is corrupted in corrupt bibles

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    NIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.
    BBE - For we are not like the great number who make use of the word of God for profit: but our words are true, as from God, being said as before God in Christ.
    CJV - For we are not like a lot of folks who go about huckstering God's message for a fee; on the contrary, we speak out of a sincere heart, as people sent by God, standing in God's presence, living in union with the Messiah.
    ESV - For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.
    GW - At least we don't go around selling an impure word of God like many others. The opposite is true. As Christ's spokesmen and in God's presence, we speak the pure message that comes from God.
    GNT - We are not like so many others, who handle God's message as if it were cheap
    merchandise; but because God has sent us, we speak with sincerity in his presence, as servants of Christ.
    HNV - For we are not as so many, peddling the word of God. But as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, we speak in Messiah.
    CSB - For we are not like the many who make a trade in God's message [for profit], but as those with sincerity, we speak in Christ, as from God and before God.
    LEB - For we are not like the majority who peddle the word of God, but as from pure
    motives--but as from God--we speak before God in Christ.
    NAS - For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.
    NCV - We do not sell the word of God for a profit as many other people do. But in Christ we speak the truth before God, as messengers of God.
    NIRV - Unlike many people, we aren't selling God's word to make money. In fact, it is just the opposite. Because of Christ we speak honestly before God. We speak like people God has sent.
    NKJV - For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
    NLT - You see, we are not like those hucksters -- and there are many of them -- who preach just to make money. We preach God's message with sincerity and with Christ's authority. And we know that the God who sent us is watching us.
    NRS - For we are not peddlers of God's word like so many; but in Christ we speak as persons of sincerity, as persons sent from God and standing in his presence.
    RSV - For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word; but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.
    DBY - For we do not, as the many, make a trade of the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God, before God, we speak in Christ.
    MSG - No - but at least we don't take God's Word, water it down, and then take it to the streets to sell it cheap. We stand in Christ's presence when we speak; God looks us in the face. We get what we say straight from God and say it as honestly as we can.
    TNIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
    WNT - We are; for, unlike most teachers, we are not fraudulent hucksters of God's Message; but with transparent motives, as commissioned by God, in God's presence and in communion with Christ, so we speak.
    WEB - For we are not as so many, peddling the word of God. But as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, we speak in Christ.
     
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  19. makahiya117

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    I have listed 1 example, I have examined 337 corrupt readings.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved bibles of all time.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved books of all time.


    Apostate teachers subvert the KJV Holy Bible with Greek dictionaries.

    Apostate publishers diminish the KJV Holy Bible by altering words.

    Apostate scholars corrupt the KJV Holy Bible by inserting corrupt readings.

    Apostate distributors replace the KJV Holy Bible with corrupt imitations.

    Many have corrupted scripture, including manuscripts and reconstructed N.T. Greek texts.


    KJV 2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
    but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
     
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  20. Amy.G

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    And your point is?????

    Spit it out.
     
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