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THE NINTH COMMANDMENT

Iconoclast

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On a message board such as this it is good to be able to identify this sin and avoid it;
From ODT Thomas Watson;
by Thomas Watson

The NINTH Commandment


"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." Exodus 20:16

The tongue which at first was made to be an organ of God's praise—has now become an instrument of unrighteousness. This commandment binds the tongue to its good behavior. God has set two natural fences to keep in the tongue—the teeth and lips; and this commandment is a third fence set about it, that it should not break forth into evil. It has a prohibitory and a mandatory part: the first is set down in plain words, the other is clearly implied.

I. The prohibitory part of the commandment, or, what it forbids in general. It forbids anything which may tend to the disparagement or harm of our neighbor. More particularly, two things are forbidden in this commandment.

[1] SLANDER. This is a sin against the ninth commandment. The scorpion carries his poison in his tail; the slanderer carries his poison in his tongue. Slandering "is to report things of others unjustly." "Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of things I don't even know about." Psalm 35:11. Many a Christian is beheaded of his good name. They raised for a slander of Paul, that he preached "Men might do evil that good might come of it." "We be slanderously reported; and some affirm that we say, "Let us do evil, that good may come"." Rom 3:8. Eminence is commonly blasted by slander. Holiness itself is no shield from slander. The lamb's innocence will not preserve it from the wolf. Christ, the most innocent upon earth, was reported to be "A glutton and a drunkard." Matthew 11:19. John the Baptist was a man of a holy and austere life, and yet they said of him, "He has a devil." Matt 11:18.

The Scripture calls slandering, smiting with the tongue. "Come, and let us smite him with the tongue." Jer 18:18. You may smite another—and never touch him. "The tongue inflicts greater wounds than the sword." Augustine. No physician can heal the wounds of the tongue! To pretend friendship to a man, and slander him, is most odious.

As it is a sin against this commandment to raise a false report of another, so it is to receive a false report before we have examined it. "Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord? Who may enter your presence on your holy hill? Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts. Those who refuse to slander others or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends." Psalm 15:1-3. We must not only not raise a false report—but refuse to hear it. He who raises a slander—carries the devil in his tongue! He who receives a slander—carries the devil in his ear!

[2] LYING. Here three sins are condemned:

(1) Speaking that which is false.

(2) Witnessing to that which is false.

(3) Swearing to that which is false.

(1) That which is condemned in the commandment is, SPEAKING that which is false. "Lying lips are abomination to the Lord." Proverbs 12:22. To lie is to speak that which one knows to be an untruth. There is nothing more contrary to God—than a lie. The Holy Spirit is called the "Spirit of Truth." 1 John 4:6.

Lying is a sin which does not go alone; it ushers in other sins. Absalom told his father a lie, when he said that he was going to pay his vow at Hebron, and this was a preface to his treason. 2 Sam 15:7. Where there is a lie in the tongue, the devil is in the heart. "Why has Satan filled your heart to lie?" Acts 5:3. Lying is a sin which unfits men for civil society. How can you converse or bargain with a man, when you cannot trust a word he says? This sin highly provokes God. Ananias and Sapphire were struck dead for telling a lie. Acts 5:5. The furnace of hell is heated for liars. "Outside are sorcerers, and whoever loves and makes a lie." Rev 22:15. O abhor this sin! "Consider your every word an oath." Jerome. When you speak, let your word be as authentic as your oath. Imitate God, who is the pattern of truth. Pythagoras being asked what made men like God, answered, "when they speak the truth." The character of a man who shall go to heaven, is that "he speaks the truth in his heart." Psalm 15:2.

(2) That which is condemned in the commandment is, WITNESSING that which is false. "You shall not bear false witness." There is a twofold bearing false witness:

1. Bearing false witness for another; as when we give our testimony for a person who is criminal and guilty, and we justify him as if he were innocent. "Who acquit the guilty for a bribe and deprive the innocent of justice." Isa 5:23. He who seeks to acquit a wicked man—makes himself unjust.

2. It is bearing false witness against another, when we accuse him in open court falsely. This is to imitate the devil, who is the "accuser of the brethren." Though the devil is no adulterer—yet he is a false witness. Solomon says, "Like a club or a sword or a sharp arrow—is the man who gives false testimony against his neighbor." Proverbs 25:18. In his face he is hardened like a club—he cannot blush, he cares not what lie he witnesses to. And he is a sword—his tongue is a sword to wound the person he witnesses against in his goods or life. "Then two scoundrels accused him before all the people of cursing God and the king. So he was dragged outside the city and stoned to death." 1 Kings 21:13. The queen of Persia being sick, the magicians accused two godly virgins of having by charms procured the queen's sickness; whereupon she caused those virgins to be sawn asunder.

A false witness perverts all justice. He corrupts the judge by making him pronounce a wrong sentence, and causes the innocent to suffer. Vengeance will find out the false witness. "A false witness shall not be unpunished." Proverbs 19:5. "The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother—then do to him as he intended to do to his brother. You must purge the evil from among you." Deut 19:18, 19. If, for instance, he was trying to have the innocent person put to death—his own life shall be taken away.

(3) That which is condemned in the commandment is, SWEARING to what is false; as when men take a false oath, and by that take away the life of another. "Love no false oath." Zech 8:17. The Scythians made a law that when a man bound together a lie with an oath, he was to lose his head; because these sins took away all truth and faith from among men. The devil has taken great possession of those who dare swear to a lie.
 

Revmitchell

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Misrepresenting the theological position of another person would fall under this commandment. So would labeling others as having theological positions they deny such as Pelagian, Arminian, Semi-Pelagian etc.
 

Iconoclast

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Rm
Misrepresenting the theological position of another person would fall under this commandment

YES IT WOULD
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So would labeling others as having theological positions they deny such as Pelagian, Arminian, Semi-Pelagian etc
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THERE ARE MANY CRIMINALS IN JAIL WHO CLAIM THEY ARE INNOCENT. SOME WHO ARE IN THESE CAMPS AVOID THE LABEL WHICH IF RIGHTLY EARNED BY THEM.

The Commandment is against "false witness"
 

Iconoclast

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This is a new low.
You are just seeking to be contentious. You snide remarks and lack of any meaningful theological stance does not give you any moral high ground to make your proud denunciations.
There is nothing low about the comment except your lame response to it. rather than involve yourself in the actual OP you look to divert and make your snide cryptic comments , now you are going to disappear and show up in another thread, not to offer anything constructive but to wait for another chance to offer your drive by one line posts.

Why not take a stand somewhere RM...any stand...even if it is wrong , would be better than sneaking around lurking to make your little nasty , rude comments.
 

InTheLight

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You are just seeking to be contentious. You snide remarks and lack of any meaningful theological stance does not give you any moral high ground to make your proud denunciations.
There is nothing low about the comment except your lame response to it. rather than involve yourself in the actual OP you look to divert and make your snide cryptic comments , now you are going to disappear and show up in another thread, not to offer anything constructive but to wait for another chance to offer your drive by one line posts.

Why not take a stand somewhere RM...any stand...even if it is wrong , would be better than sneaking around lurking to make your little nasty , rude comments.
Take a good look at the subject matter of the OP, then look at Iconoclast's post I quoted.

The very definition of irony. I'm sure Icon doesn't have a clue as to what he's just done.

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Revmitchell

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You are just seeking to be contentious. You snide remarks and lack of any meaningful theological stance does not give you any moral high ground to make your proud denunciations.
There is nothing low about the comment except your lame response to it. rather than involve yourself in the actual OP you look to divert and make your snide cryptic comments , now you are going to disappear and show up in another thread, not to offer anything constructive but to wait for another chance to offer your drive by one line posts.

Why not take a stand somewhere RM...any stand...even if it is wrong , would be better than sneaking around lurking to make your little nasty , rude comments.

Whooo..You compare solid Christians who refuse your personal labels with convicted criminals and you say I am the one seeking to be contentious? This is an example of the delusional rhetoric of contentious Calvinists and why they have such a bad reputation among Christians. It is far and it is wide. It is also a prime example of why there is so much contention on this board.

Your comment was contentious, unnecessary, inflammatory and unChristian. It was nothing but rhetoric intended to demean those with whom you disagree. Shame on you.
 

Iconoclast

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Whooo..You compare solid Christians who refuse your personal labels with convicted criminals and you say I am the one seeking to be contentious? This is an example of the delusional rhetoric of contentious Calvinists and why they have such a bad reputation among Christians. It is far and it is wide. It is also a prime example of why there is so much contention on this board.

Your comment was contentious, unnecessary, inflammatory and unChristian. It was nothing but rhetoric intended to demean those with whom you disagree. Shame on you.
You have an agenda which is now exposed. My comments went right past your understanding......the analogy of the criminal was to show that even someone who is guilty of the crime can claim they did not do it.....we have on this board, dispensationalists who claim they are not. semi peligians who say they are not, arminians who say they are not ,etc....that is a fact, not false witness..

You just entered here to be disruptive which is something we have all seen.
 

Iconoclast

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Take a good look at the subject matter of the OP, then look at Iconoclast's post I quoted.

The very definition of irony. I'm sure Icon doesn't have a clue as to what he's just done.

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Yes...take a good look at it. It is a true statement and not false in any way.....show the falsehood....

If you want an example of false witness here is RM fresh off the keyboard;
Your comment was contentious, unnecessary, inflammatory and unChristian. It was nothing but rhetoric intended to demean those with whom you disagree. Shame on you.
 
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InTheLight

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You are just seeking to be contentious.
Your snide remarks
Your lack of any meaningful theological stance
your proud denunciations.
your lame response to it.
your snide cryptic comments
[your] sneaking around lurking to make your little nasty, rude comments.


You just entered here to be disruptive which is something we have all seen.

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Revmitchell

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You have an agenda which is now exposed. My comments went right past your understanding......the analogy of the criminal was to show that even someone who is guilty of the crime can claim they did not do it.....we have on this board, dispensationalists who claim they are not. semi peligians who say they are not, arminians who say they are not ,etc....that is a fact, not false witness..

So do I have an agenda or did your comments go past my understanding? Your analogy is inflammatory. Comparing solid Christians who you oppose to criminals in any context is unChristian. Period. Your agenda is now exposed. You flame anyone not a Calvinist.

You just entered here to be disruptive which is something we have all seen.

No what we all have seen is when I call you on your junk you accuse me of this because you have nothing else. You cannot defend your poor behavior. Again you have reached a new low.
 

Iconoclast

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"Rm

So do I have an agenda
yes you do
or did your comments go past my understanding?
yes they did...you still miss the point
Your analogy is inflammatory

the analogy is fine, you just do not like it....people rationalize to cover up
. Comparing solid Christians who you oppose to criminals in any context is unChristian.

it was not a comparison....it was an analogy that you do not like.

Period. Your agenda is now exposed. You flame anyone not a Calvinist.
I did not mention calvinism anywhere in the thread......this is your agenda, it is on your mind everyday. You cannot wait to accuse a cal of your usual "rude, arrogant rant"....because the cals make short work of your posts...then you say...how arrogant.

No what we all have seen is when I call you on your junk you accuse me of this because you have nothing else

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say..... You accuse me and cannot back it up....you get support from ITL ...another anti-cal as if that makes it okay.....neither one of you add or improve the OP......just attack...every post an attack...

I "accuse you"??? No.... I state what is quite plain and obvious....if you want "proof"....start a poll and ask if what i say about you has not been noticed and commented on by many on BB.....

You have 30000 posts....could you show 3 that are not negative.....


. You cannot defend your poor behavior. Again you have reached a new low.

i have nothing to defend...I have spoken true judgment....I was not expecting this attack so soon, but I will not back down from your foul posting...I will expose it openly.
 

InTheLight

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Yes...take a good look at it. It is a true statement and not false in any way.....show the falsehood....

You said:

we have on this board, dispensationalists who claim they are not. semi peligians who say they are not, arminians who say they are not ,etc....that is a fact, not false witness.

When someone says, "I'm not a peligianist" and you reply YES YOU ARE! that is the very definition of false witness. You don't get to go around labeling people with labels they know don't apply to them.
 

Iconoclast

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You said:

we have on this board, dispensationalists who claim they are not. semi peligians who say they are not, arminians who say they are not ,etc....that is a fact, not false witness.

When someone says, "I'm not a peligianist" and you reply YES YOU ARE! that is the very definition of false witness. You don't get to go around labeling people with labels they know don't apply to them.
Maybe you can give an example of what you are talking about ITL.
If you feel you have an example post it.
Are you saying you have not seen dispensationalists in this last two months alone, ....deny...they hold to that system???
As soon as OR zeroed in on them...then they claimed to not believe that system. Do you deny this???
 

InTheLight

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Maybe you can give an example of what you are talking about ITL.
If you feel you have an example post it.
Are you saying you have not seen dispensationalists in this last two months alone, ....deny...they hold to that system???
As soon as OR zeroed in on them...then they claimed to not believe that system. Do you deny this???
I haven't been following those threads. But it doesn't matter. If someone labels someone as being such-and-such and they deny it and if you continue to say the same thing about them, that is false witness.

I'm sure you wouldn't take kindly if someone were to say, "Iconoclast holds to the doctrines of grace and God's absolute sovereignty and control of everything, therefore Iconoclast believes God is the author of sin."

For example, I don't know anyone on BB that is an Arminian (and that definition includes the possibility of someone losing their salvation) yet that term is used with some regularity to describe many here on BB. That's false witness.

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Revmitchell

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You are a Dispensationalist if you claim it. You are an Arminian if you claim it. You are a Pelegian if you claim it
I haven't been following those threads. But it doesn't matter. If someone labels someone as being such-and-such and they deny it and if you continue to say the same thing about them, that is false witness.

I'm sure you wouldn't take kindly if someone were to say, "Iconoclast holds to the doctrines of grace and God's absolute sovereignty and control of everything, therefore Iconoclast believes God is the author of sin."

For example, I don't know anyone on BB that is an Arminian (and that definition includes the possibility of someone losing their salvation) yet that term is used with some regularity to describe many here on BB. That's false witness.

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Well you know if you deny what you really are then you are like criminals who deny who they are.
 

TCassidy

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I don't know anyone on BB that is an Arminian (and that definition includes the possibility of someone losing their salvation)
Then you don't understand what Arminianism is. Even the Remonstrance did not say a saved person could lose their salvation.
Article V — That those who are incorporated into Christ by a true faith, and have thereby become partakers of his life-giving Spirit, have thereby full power to strive against Satan, sin, the world, and their own flesh, and to win the victory, it being well understood that it is ever through the assisting grace of the Holy Ghost; and that Jesus Christ assists them through his Spirit in all temptations, extends to them his hand, and if only they are ready for the conflict, and desire his help, and are not inactive, keeps them from falling, so that they, by no craft or power of Satan, can be misled, nor plucked out of Christ's hands, according to the word of Christ, John x. 28: "Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." But whether they are capable, through negligence, of forsaking again the first beginnings of their life in Christ, of again returning to this present evil world, of turning away from the holy doctrine which was delivered them, of losing a good conscience, of becoming devoid of grace, that must be more particularly determined out of the Holy Scriptures before they can teach it with the full persuasion of their minds.
 
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