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Featured Calvinists vs Armenians: A Challenging--But Senseless--Debate

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by jomarc, Dec 13, 2016.

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  1. JonC

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    Revmitchell made a good point about being honest in dialogue. Far too often people debate what is not being debated. No one thus far has claimed that it is God's fault that men do not respond. What you are arguing against is against is the position that it is a work of God that men do respond.
     
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    To be fair to T he did end those with question marks. It seems to me he was simply trying to get clarification on what he thought you said. He was not asserting that it was right.
     
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    Please show me in scripture that responding is defined as works with regard to salvation.
     
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    Verb. Action. Something you do. Every English dictionary on the planet.
     
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    A verb. You understand that a verb is a word describing an action, something you do, right?
     
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    Ok you quoted me out of context and then failed to answer what I said. Show me in scripture that a response from man is considered a work with regard to salvation.
     
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    Sure. And the elect will respond (eventually) and the non-elect won't. I don't know who is elect and who is not so I preach the same Gospel to everyone. :)
     
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    Show me from the scriptures where we are required to respond.
     
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    There are no dictionaries from 2000 years ago and this is what you'd need to prove your theory. The English language has changed so dramatically since then. It would be hard to understand it today. It's the same with Greek
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    sigh, I don't know how else to take this except you cannot show me from scripture that response to God in salvation biblically is considered a work. What we are talking about here is that your assertion that if man must respond it is a work is in error. Scripture never suggests such an idea. I just figured if you were going to assert it you could defend it.

    As far as your divergent request is concerned Romans 10:9-10, Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30
     
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    Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
    Believing is a reponse.
    Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Answering a call is a response. Want more?
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    Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
    MB.
     
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    IF you accept Jesus by faith, and believe in yor heart God raied Him from the dead, ad confess with your mouth He is the Lord, you are saved...

    Faith is the gift of God towards His elect, but they still need to accept Jesus then!
     
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    A men Brother.
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    Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

    Sounds like a call to respond to me.
     
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    Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
     
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    Do you then see us saved before faith in Jesus?
     
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    I dunno...pretty clear here I thought...

    Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
     
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    Yes, they resist. That is something they do. And not resisting is something they do.

    So, we know they resisted. But where are they commanded to respond?
     
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    Yes. Repent and believe. Both works. And both the result of regeneration, not the other way around. :)
     
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