ChrisTheSaved
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Well say it ain't so! How can these these sweet people refuse to make a gay wedding cake? Oh, how can all of these bakeries do it? I always thought it's was just the hateful Christians that oppressed people.
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Those wonderful Muslims won't make gay cakes?
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Leftist hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I think that the baker in your example should have that freedom.
Then the customers can use their freedom of speech to tell the world about his odious practices.
Then the free market can withhold business from him and he will go out of business.
What about hiring a black person?
Many people used to believe that people of African descent were cursed due to their supposed "ancestor" Ham.
What if someone doesn't want to hire a "cursed" person?
I understand there are no easy answers here, but you can take the logical route down both ends---forcing people against their faith or allowing blatant discrimination.
The reason the Civil Rights Act was needed was because the free market always reflects the prejudices of society. It's not a panacea.
Many people used to believe that people of African descent were cursed due to their supposed "ancestor" Ham.
What if someone doesn't want to hire a "cursed" person?
I understand there are no easy answers here, but you can take the logical route down both ends---forcing people against their faith or allowing blatant discrimination.
The reason the Civil Rights Act was needed was because the free market always reflects the prejudices of society. It's not a panacea.
I agree with you - but I wonder if he would go out of business. Having that reputation - he might get more business.
The same could be said of the Christian baker who refused to bake a cake for a homosexul wedding -
The customers can use their freedom of speech to tell the world about his odious practices.
Then the free market can withhold business from him and he will go out of business
As James says - Come Quickly Lord Jesus.
Actually, my belief is that a business owner should be able to choose the customers of his choice - for whatever reason he pleases.
and on the other hand - consumers have the right to boycott and possibly force the owner out of business.
How about this - supposed a female divorce lawyer will only represent women in divorce cases. - Is that legal. YES, it is legal discrimination for a lawyer to choose his own clients.
Baptist churches often discriminate when it comes considering a pastor - as most would never call a female. And these same churches will not allow males to work in the nursery
So where do we draw the line.
Best way is to just allow fo freedom of conviction in religion in aread God condones..., shoulbe freenot to cater gay wedding
Would say that Christiashouldonly gt religious freedom fo convition based upon things God condones, so can refuse due to gay marriage/Muslim events, but not for bigots towards race!
I think in the case of religious organizations/houses of worship (churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc.), the right to discriminate based on religious belief shouldn't really be in question.
It's for-profit business enterprises that create problems. No one should expect a church to treat all members of the public in the same way, especially in hiring decisions about ministerial staff. A business, though, is a different animal because it operates primarily for money, not for an express religious purpose.
I'm torn on the cake thing, personally. I don't want to force anyone to bake a gay wedding cake if the baker doesn't want to do so. I just don't want to establish a legal precedent that would amount to being able to deny service to a gay person for other kinds of cakes.
I understand that someone could perceive making wedding cake as materially participating in the ceremony and thereby giving implicit approval to it. I don't want to burden that person, nor do I want to ruin his or her business. As long as that baker would not refuse services for things like a birthday cake (exceptions for offensive messages, as with any customer), I could live with that balance.
I think a same sex couple should be able to purchase a cake, and as long as there is a reasonable opportunity to do so at an alternative baker, I think that's ok.
In smaller areas or areas without a willing baker, things get a bit thornier and require further analysis.
Some people once thought God condemned interracial marriage. A few still do.
They would be wrong!
I agree, but it was a sincerely held religious belief for many (and some still).
Arguably it was racism wrapped in theology, but the religious aspect was there.
The big difference is the Bible never supports htis, but the Koran does support things likete terrorism for Allah!
In your view. I also don't think it does on this specific issue (except for intermarriage with non-Israelites on some occasions--but that's not race per se).
The Bible isn't free from its own commands to kill, either. Conquest of Canaan? Amalekites?
Every religion has its own issues that can create problems like the cake issue. Some have more (Islam, for instance, is particularly odious), some have less, but as long as people aren't acting illegally, we have to tolerate beliefs that aren't our own.
God forbaded inte marrage due to them being with false gods and pagan, NOT due to color of their skin. God command killings in OT times, but the people were all guilty of henious crimes, and he gave them long time to repent, and the children killed were going to be with God ayways.....
Islam claims God/Allah ordered Jihad against those failing to accept Islam, big difference, and on marriage issue, again, God define it as just a man and a woman, so we have NO rigt to redefine it!
Islamic war against those who rejected Islam---
Israelite war against those who rejected Yahweh (which is what is implied when you mentioned a lack of repentance)---
A neutral third party wouldn't see the difference.
The only difference would be God actually commanding it or not. The actions are the same.