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Coming your Way: The Destruction of Marriage

Martin Marprelate

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This is really important. Please have a listen to this clip; it's less than 7 minutes long:

Gavin Ashendon was a chaplain to H.M. the Queen, but has since left the Church of England.
he may sound to Americans like an upper-class English twit, but in fact he's a very acute thinker.
 

Jerome

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Earth Wind and Fire

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HankD

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Many moons ago I wrote a statistical analysis paper on divorce.

in the year 1900 1 out of every 47 marriages ended in divorce.

Today's modern divorce rate for marriages - 50%.

HankD
 

FriendofSpurgeon

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Yes, as Southern Baptist ethicist Russell Moore assures his readers:

erlc.com/resource-library/articles/10-questions-about-marriage-from-the-supreme-court-arguments

"Same-sex marriage will probably cause no greater harm to marriage than has already happened as a result of no-fault divorce....Unlike the era before the 1970s, divorce is now a normal feature of America."

Wow! Talk about taking things out of context. This makes it sound like that Moore was for same sex marriage or at least neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth. Andrew Walker and Russell Moore made a strong case against same sex marriage in this article back in 2015. I would encourage everyone to read the entire article.

At least here is the are two quotes above, actually taken into context.

"First, the “harm” of same-sex marriage needs careful qualification. How a particular same-sex marriage will affect your marriage may indeed be very limited. But this isn’t just about the direct effects on your marriage. It is about what certain visions of marriage bring to society and teach society over time through law, culture, and academia.

A view of marriage that de-couples children from the state’s interest in marriage will serve to promote a vision of marriage that views it primarily as a vehicle for consenting adults’ desires. Same-sex marriage will probably cause no greater harm to marriage than has already happened as a result of no-fault divorce. But there’s a parallel illustration: No-fault divorce very subtly worked to redefine marriage by making marriage less permanent. Over time, that vision of marriage saturated American culture to the point of making marriage more a matter of convenience and personal fulfillment than an institution wedded to society’s stability. Unlike the era before the 1970s, divorce is now a normal feature of America. There have undoubtably been harms to the institution brought about by making marriage more dissolvable. Likewise, same-sex marriage communicates a vision of marriage that is primarily based on adult companionship. This will, over time, communicate that marriage is more about adults than about children.

Very briefly, the supposed “dignitary harms” of children who grow up in same-sex households that cannot marry does not require redefining the meaning of marriage. The democratic process can work to resolve problems in the law by overcoming issues of hospital visitation, property rights, etc, through legislative solutions. A redefinition of marriage is not required to resolve these problems."

I understand that people don't like Moore. But I would hope that there would be honest discussions about a fellow believer that misstatements like this.
 

Jerome

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Moore expresses the harm of both, in the original quote given, as well as in your nearly 300 word selection from the linked article.
The post was expounding on how, as TB stated in the preceding post, "Marriage was destroyed decades ago" (normalization of divorce).
 

thatbrian

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Many moons ago I wrote a statistical analysis paper on divorce.

in the year 1900 1 out of every 47 marriages ended in divorce.

Today's modern divorce rate for marriages - 50%.

HankD

And, countless people do it 2, 3, or 4 times! Marriage means next to nothing today.
 

thatbrian

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Yes, as Southern Baptist ethicist Russell Moore assures his readers:

erlc.com/resource-library/articles/10-questions-about-marriage-from-the-supreme-court-arguments

"Same-sex marriage will probably cause no greater harm to marriage than has already happened as a result of no-fault divorce....Unlike the era before the 1970s, divorce is now a normal feature of America."

I am not a fan of Moore, or any other Liberal; however, there is truth in his words on this matter. His motivation for speaking them appears to be wrong, but the outcome is the same.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Yes, as Southern Baptist ethicist Russell Moore assures his readers:

erlc.com/resource-library/articles/10-questions-about-marriage-from-the-supreme-court-arguments

"Same-sex marriage will probably cause no greater harm to marriage than has already happened as a result of no-fault divorce....Unlike the era before the 1970s, divorce is now a normal feature of America."
With all due respect to this guy (never heard of him before) he doesn't know he's born. Listen to the clip on the O.P. There's a woman there taking about how she has three children with five fathers (!) Coming your way are group marriages, inter-species marriages, metro-sexual marriages, all with the aim, not of allowing strange people to marry-- that's not the point at all-- but to destroy the institution completely and utterly.
 

Rob_BW

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Yeah, so the divorce rate has skyrocketed. I don’t see where that means we should abandon a defense of Biblical marriage.

"Alright, boys, we've been defeated on the Marriage Front! Time to evacuate all forces and reallocate them to the Right to Life and the Prayer in School fronts!"
 

FriendofSpurgeon

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With all due respect to this guy (never heard of him before) he doesn't know he's born. Listen to the clip on the O.P. There's a woman there taking about how she has three children with five fathers (!) Coming your way are group marriages, inter-species marriages, metro-sexual marriages, all with the aim, not of allowing strange people to marry-- that's not the point at all-- but to destroy the institution completely and utterly.

If you read the entire article, I think you'd agree that Moore would agree with Ashendon on this issue. Moore is currently president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the public-policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Yeah, so the divorce rate has skyrocketed. I don’t see where that means we should abandon a defense of Biblical marriage.

"Alright, boys, we've been defeated on the Marriage Front! Time to evacuate all forces and reallocate them to the Right to Life and the Prayer in School fronts!"
I’m not abandoning anything Rob ... I’m married over 32 years to my wife and now it’s just getting good, kids outa the house etc
 
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