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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Jul 7, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, what I am saying is that the OFFICIAL doctrine of Rome is the Council of Trent, when it rejected the true Gospel that saves!
    Catholic church very good at making things "sound" like they have changed, as in when they and Lutherans agreed that they both see it as being saved by grace and faith, but Rome willL not say ALONE for that!
     
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    And when non Calvinists say that you as a Calvinist preach another gospel ( let’s see, I’ve heard it referred to as a gospel of hate blah blah blah ) what do you tell them? Just who’s gospel is it anyway?
     
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    I’ve read that the RC Church used that scripture to both punish and execute people. So are you emulating them?
     
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    Calvinists and NON cals preach the same Gospel, its just how we understand it as being accomplished in salvation differs, but Rome has a different salvation altogether!
     
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    No, jut saying that Rome preaches and holds to another gospel!
     
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    Your confusing theology with people.
    I guess this whole pattern started with Cain killing Abel. The evil one must always be killed so that the “I” can feel worthy. Another nationality, class of people or religion has to be named wrong so that “I “ can feel right.

    The insecure and false self seems to need an enemy to scapegoat so they can feel superior and saved. Honestly they marginalize and demonize as a way to proving they are superiority and it’s been happening from forever. Now Jesus says in Matthew 5:45 to be children of your father in heaven, from this he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good......
     
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    Would paul be wrong if he was here today, and stating that Rome taught another and a false Gospel?
     
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    I beg to differ with you
     
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    John Wesley and me teach Justification by Grace alone/faith alone, I am a Calvinist, he was not, Rome teachers a sacramental grace system not found in Holy Scripture!
     
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    Paul would not want different churches and how we all do church today would be wrong to him. Dare I mention that for PAUL ( In emulating Christ) it was Love that mattered most 1 Corinthians 13:1-13
     
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    Rome is constantly changing. I mean the congregants I would say that most of their people today pay no or little attention to any of that sacramental stuff Today they would tell you they are saved by the indwelling of the HS and by Faith. Their salvation is tied by Faith that causes actions to help the brethren... see James 2: 14-17 and Matthew 22:37-40 and Matthew 5:43-48 and yada yada.
     
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    Paul wanted the True Gospel to be maintained at all costs, for that only is what unites us all together, IE, true gospel that produces true Christianity!
     
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    You are speaking of Individual Catholics whom the Lord has redeemed by Hi grace though, and I am addressing the official doctrines of Rome, that would call anyone who holds to salvation as scriptures declare it being as being hell bound.
     
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    Paul would have been the first one pushing for the reformation though!
     
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    Since you lack the integrity or curiosity to watch the posted video of a Catholic vs. evangelical dialogue on the salvation doctrine, then read my OP to my thread "The Biblical Basis of Catholic Distinctives" which champions the Catholic perspective on the Gospel and refutes your perspective.
     
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    Nobody is hell bound if they are believers
     
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    DZ.
    As a Calvinist, why do you care? You believe God will save whom He will despite Rome.
     
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    And that would include non denomination. Seriously do you believe he would have to see all the Protestant denominations, Baptists, Fundimentalists, Catholics, Orthodox, Quakers, Mennonites etc all vying to be the Right Christian religion? He would have been shocked
     
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    Sometimes fundamentalists seem to assume this sort of greeting by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates:
    Peter: "Before you can enter Heaven, you need to pass a 4 hour doctrine exam. The exam with cover soteriology [doctrine of salvation] , doctrine of Scripture, and the basis of your church affiliation." I can imagine some simple godly Catholic grandmother sighing and saying, "I was never good at book learning. Which way do I go to get to Hell?"
     
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    The word "Trinity" (Greek: "trias") is never mentioned in Scripture. The earliest Christian concept of the Trinity is attested by Theophilus, bishop of Antioch 180 AD), the church that discipled Paul. Theophilus embraces a "Trinity" of "God, God's Word (= Christ), and God's Wisdom." God's Wisdom is personified in the OT (e g. Proverbs 8). but the Holy Spirit is not. and no, you don't find the Trinity in the OT; you find God and the Spirit individually mentioned, but that is not the same as the Trinity. Nor will you find any academic commentary that recognizes OT allusions to "the Son of God" as allusions to Christ. So if you want to morph the baptismal reference to "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 28:19, you need the inspiration of later Catholic tradition to do that.
     
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