Featured Change of man's MORAL nature in the Fall

Proper interpretation hinges on proper exegesis. Proper application hinges upon proper interpretation. All within its immediate context, book context, testamental context, and Biblical context.

 

Yes, i will do my best to commit to that. Maybe i cannot get past the terms "Moral" (i know you addressed it already) and "restoration plus immutable" (and this you also addressed)? I'm sure we agree on a lot more than what we disagree.

If i understand you correctly, then if Adam just ate the tree of Life he would have possessed all that you say Christ brings us through the new man?

 

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:3-5

At that moment was it already foreordained, Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Would shed his precious blood for redemption? --------------------Why?
At that moment how was Christ the Son of the living God going to be manifested in order to shed blood for redemption?

What is the primary purpose for the Son of God being manifested?

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


Will redemption destroy the works of the devil?



But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

 

I believe my hang up here is what you describe above--here are my thoughts--in his natural state (spirit, soul, body), Adam was righteous--in a right and proper standing with God. God made him "Good". However, in that same state, he willfully sinned. This is obviously not God's fault. Adam chose sin. So, Adam's Spirit man died and the presence of God was cut off from humanity, particularly the inner sense of being right with God. Because Adam's spirit man died (Cut off from the presence of God--shame towards God), he is led by soul and flesh. Zero cognizance internally of God's presence or will. We too, born dead in our spirit, have a soul and body who lead the way.

Would you agree with any of this?

Edit to add...

How come you do not quote the entirety of Ecclesiastes 7:29? ...but they have sought out many inventions.

Is Solomon describing Adam's original "state" or is he observing how his contemporaries seem to "go".

 

I agree with you. Adam choose to sin. However I ask Did God think he would choose anything else but to sin. Was God through the sin of Adam going to destroy the devil and his works, through the Son of Man, the Son of God?

 

I believe we tend to focus on Adam too much here. The Focus is Christ...regardless of whether or not Adam did/didn't, coulda/woulda/shoulda ...God's eternal purpose was to Birth an Eternal Creation through His Son Jesus Christ. His plan was never for a physical creation. His plan was always focused on an eternal, spiritual Creation that would Worship and Enjoy the King of Kings forever.

 

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

When was that creation subjected to futility, in Hope.

thou shalt not eat of it: Did that command by God subject the creation to futility?

because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

How about refusing to accept what is plainly being stated though?

 

According to scripture was the creation of the physical man necessary to the destruction of the devil and his works?
Was, the death, necessary for that to happen?
What would be needed to bring about, the death?
What is sin?
The death of just anything or the death of one without blemish and without spot?
Would life have to be given again to that which had died for that to be accomplished?

 

All of this would be under the scope of "God's Plan to Give His Son an eternal Love-Gift".

 

My apologies, i was addressing his comment. i didn't mean to derail.

 

Why stop speculating now!? jk