Featured Is the Pope as he claims “God on Earth”.

utilyan · Feb 24, 2020

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History reveals what happened...
"Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D."--"Chamber's Encyclopedia," article, "Sabbath."

Here is the first Sunday Law in history, a legal enactment by Constantine 1 (reigned 306-331): "On the Venerable Day of the Sun ["venerabili die Solis"--the sacred day of the Sun] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost--Given the 7th day of March, [A.D. 321], Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time."--The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus," lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Phillip Schaff "History of the Christian Church," Vol. 3, p. 380.

"This [Constantine's Sunday decree of March, 321] is the 'parent' Sunday law making it a day of rest and release from labor. For from that time to the present there have been decrees about the observance of Sunday which have profoundly influenced European and American society. When the Church became a part of State under the Christian emperors, Sunday observance was enforced by civil statutes, and later when the Empire was past, the Church, in the hands of the papacy, enforced it by ecclesiastical and also by civil enactments."--Walter W. Hyde, "Paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire," 1946, p. 261.
"Constantine's decree marked the beginning of a long, though intermittent series of imperial decrees in support of Sunday rest."-- Vincent J. Kelly, "Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations," 1943, p. 29.

"Constantine labored at this time untiringly to unite the worshipers of the old and the new into one religion. All his laws and contrivances are aimed at promoting this amalgamation of religions. He would by all lawful and peaceable means melt together a purified heathenism and a moderated Christianity . . . Of all his blending and melting together of Christianity and heathenism, none is more easy to see through than this making of his Sunday law: The Christians worshiped their Christ, the heathen their Sun-god . . . [so they should now be combined."--H.G. Heggtveit, "illustreret Kirkehistorie," 1895, p. 202.

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be regarded in execration [cursing] of the Jews."--Pope Sylvester, quoted by S.R.E. Humbert, "Adversus Graecorum Calumnias," in J.P. Migne, "Patrologie," p. 143. [Sylvester (A.D. 314-337) was the pope at the time Constantine 1 was Emperor.]

"All things whatsoever that were prescribed for the [Bible] Sabbath, we have transferred them to the Lord's day, as being more authoritative and more highly regarded and first in rank, and more honorable than the Jewish Sabbath."--Bishop Eusebius, quoted in J.P. Migne, "Patrologie," p. 23, 1169-1172. [Eusebius of Caesarea was a high-ranking Catholic leader during Constantine's lifetime.]

"These Gentile Christians of Rome and Alexandria began calling the first day of the week 'the Lord's day.' This was not difficult for the pagans of the Roman Empire who were steeped in sun worship to accept, because they [the pagans] referred to their sun-god as their 'Lord.' "--EM. Chalmers, "How Sunday Came Into the Christian Church," p. 3.

The following statement was made 100 years after Constantine's Sunday Law was passed: "Although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."--Socrates Scholasticus, quoted in "Ecclesiastical History," Book 5, chap. 22. [Written shortly after A.D. 439.]

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria."--Hermias Sozomen, quoted in "Ecclesiastical History," vii, 19, in "A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," 2nd Series, Vol. 2, p. 390. [Written soon after AD. 415.]

"Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church, but with a rigor and solemnity gradually diminishing until it was wholly discontinued."--Lyman Coleman, "Ancient Christianity Exemplified" chap. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.

"Constantine's [five Sunday Law] decrees marked the beginning of a long though intermittent series of imperial decrees in support of Sunday rest."--"A History of the Councils of the Church," Vol. 2, p. 316.

"What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees, during the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, enjoined with increasing stringency abstinence from labor on Sunday."--Huttan Webster, "Rest Days," pp. 122-123, 210.
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Quoting THEOLOGIANS and "CHURCH HISTORIANS".

Lots of bias fill ins. Would you ask Nazi's what Jews Believe? Its best to get unbiased report of history as it happened rather than speculated.

Particular · Feb 24, 2020

utilyan said: ↑

Quoting THEOLOGIANS and "CHURCH HISTORIANS".

Lots of bias fill ins. Would you ask Nazi's what Jews Believe? Its best to get unbiased report of history as it happened rather than speculated.
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So don't ask the Vatican. Got it.

Hobie · Feb 24, 2020

All the historians and theologians have got to be wrong

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The Pontifex Maximus

Having determined then that the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal authority and Roman primacy did not originate with Jesus Christ we must turn to our secondary question: where, then, did the RCC get this teaching?

Unlike the search for Scriptural origins for the doctrine of papal authority and Roman primacy the search for non-Biblical origins of this teaching are readily available from the imperial court of the Roman Empire. Both the title and structure of the Roman Catholic Church are directly derived from the title and structure of the Roman imperial cult.

One of the names that is often used to refer to the Roman Catholic pope is the title Pontiff.

"Pope - The Annuario Pontificio (official directory of the Holy See) describes the office of the pope by the following titles: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiffof the Western Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Province of Rome, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City. The title pope or papa (abbreviated PP.) is officially used only as a less solemn style." - Britannica.com

This office of pontifex maximus was held by emperor Constantine.

"Constantine the Great - For a time it seemed as if merely tolerance and equality were to prevail. Constantine showed equal favour to both religions. As pontifex maximus he watched over the heathen worship and protected its rights." - Catholic Encyclopedia

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I was doing some work on the Greeks and how they pick up and passed on to the Romans the ancient Babylonian sun gods and system of worship, when I came across a interesting sermon on this:

'...Pope is a shortened title for Pontifex Maximus. In Greek it means father. The Pontifex Maximus (meaning king of sacrifices or servant to the triads, as well as the "greatest bridge-maker between the gods and men") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. It's a pagan title that was incorporated from the Etruscan-Latin polytheistic culture (700 BC) who lived before the Romans. These early people (just like the Romans) had built great temples to the gods and goddess of the day. They also had a pagan triad. Eventually the Etruscans were conquered by Rome.

The title Pontifex Maximus (Pope) is mentioned numerous times by the early Catholic Church fathers (especially by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Catholic bishop until much later on. The early Catholics said that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom," the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. This post was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. It's last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian (reigned 375-383). He was then urged by the Catholic bishops to renounce the cultic Roman title, and instead grant it to their exalted leading bishop over Rome.

Pontifex Maximus is a name that's being used by the Roman Catholic Church clergy today. Though it may be abbreviated into Pope or Papa, yet it's clearly a title incorporated directly from paganism. Interesting to note that the all the pagan pontiffs or popes held that office for life. Exactly like the Catholics Popes. And their cult members met and elected a successor, who after his election became the next Pope or Pontifex Maximus (Dionys. II.22, 73). Just like the election held by the Catholic Church cardinals to choose a new Pope. The Pontifex Maximus was the guardian of the Vestal virgins. The Roman Catholic Church has simply named them Nuns instead. Many historians agree that the idea for the powers of the pope with the College of Cardinals came from the Pagan College of Pontiffs with its Sovereign Pontiff which had no doubt been in Rome from the earliest times, and must have been framed on the order of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. It's also obvious to any historian that while the Catholics have called themselves Christians, they more closely resemble the ancient pagans both in customs and names. Pope Gregory I (601 AD) said in so many words literally, "We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity."...'
http://www.upublish.info/Article/The-Pope--Pontifex-Maximus-/693298

By the time of Emperor Constantine, the Christian religion received imperial sanction and the bishop of Rome became more than just another bishop, and brought in a system of worship from another origin than Christianity.

atpollard · Feb 24, 2020

utilyan said: ↑

You might as well argue Christians never existed till they popped up in the united states 1800 years later.
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Well, not until the 1600’s when the Particular Baptists built a church in London, anyway.

utilyan · Feb 24, 2020

Particular said: ↑

Saul, later called Paul, hated God and yet God chose to save him.

Utilyan, your bitterness is palpable. It's like screaming and gnashing of teeth when you speak.

You show that you have no understanding of depravity and the complete dependence we all have on God choosing to graciously redeem.
Instead, you speak as one who thinks he is enabled and deserves God's love purely because it's your right.
But, God tells us that no one deserves his love, except God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All else deserves his just wrath.
Only...you cannot accept that truth and when it is spoken you hate it with all your being.
I can only pray for you.
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It doesn't say who hated God.
Learn to read.
Show us one person who HATES GOD and is Saved.
Paul does not hate God.

"God tells us that no one deserves his love,"

Quote him. Quote the Scriptures. This is SATAN's theology and not biblical.

You will never quote God saying all mankind deserves hell because it comes from the DEVILS mouth not Jesus.

It makes you gnash your teeth that God doesn't hate everyone as you do.

You hate the LOVING GOD. You hate that GOD IS LOVE. NAZIS hate too.

"I can only pray for you."
Pray for your hardened heart. You shove GOD and REJECT the holy spirit. Because FEAR is your GOD not LOVE.

Pray for the Courage to step up against YOUR DEVIL who crowns himself by stepping on others.

Here you have brothers and sisters who would die for you even if the whole universe hated you. They don't love you because of some lottery or to proof of might.

Jesus Christ is God, not some pagan who spouts everyone I decide to like will be saved and everyone I decide to hate is damned.

utilyan · Feb 24, 2020

Particular said: ↑

So don't ask the Vatican. Got it.
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That's fine with me.

Name any living Christian prior to Constantine and after the scriptures.

NONE share your evil theology.

utilyan · Feb 24, 2020

Hobie said: ↑

All the historians and theologians have got to be wrong

I was doing some work on the Greeks and how they pick up and passed on to the Romans the ancient Babylonian sun gods and system of worship, when I came across a interesting sermon on this:

'...Pope is a shortened title for Pontifex Maximus. In Greek it means father. The Pontifex Maximus (meaning king of sacrifices or servant to the triads, as well as the "greatest bridge-maker between the gods and men") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. It's a pagan title that was incorporated from the Etruscan-Latin polytheistic culture (700 BC) who lived before the Romans. These early people (just like the Romans) had built great temples to the gods and goddess of the day. They also had a pagan triad. Eventually the Etruscans were conquered by Rome.

The title Pontifex Maximus (Pope) is mentioned numerous times by the early Catholic Church fathers (especially by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Catholic bishop until much later on. The early Catholics said that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom," the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. This post was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. It's last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian (reigned 375-383). He was then urged by the Catholic bishops to renounce the cultic Roman title, and instead grant it to their exalted leading bishop over Rome.

Pontifex Maximus is a name that's being used by the Roman Catholic Church clergy today. Though it may be abbreviated into Pope or Papa, yet it's clearly a title incorporated directly from paganism. Interesting to note that the all the pagan pontiffs or popes held that office for life. Exactly like the Catholics Popes. And their cult members met and elected a successor, who after his election became the next Pope or Pontifex Maximus (Dionys. II.22, 73). Just like the election held by the Catholic Church cardinals to choose a new Pope. The Pontifex Maximus was the guardian of the Vestal virgins. The Roman Catholic Church has simply named them Nuns instead. Many historians agree that the idea for the powers of the pope with the College of Cardinals came from the Pagan College of Pontiffs with its Sovereign Pontiff which had no doubt been in Rome from the earliest times, and must have been framed on the order of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. It's also obvious to any historian that while the Catholics have called themselves Christians, they more closely resemble the ancient pagans both in customs and names. Pope Gregory I (601 AD) said in so many words literally, "We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity."...'
http://www.upublish.info/Article/The-Pope--Pontifex-Maximus-/693298

By the time of Emperor Constantine, the Christian religion received imperial sanction and the bishop of Rome became more than just another bishop, and brought in a system of worship from another origin than Christianity.
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Pope and Papa means Father, Still means father today.

Your post is written in Roman Characters so I guess that makes you a PAGAN, under your logic.

Particular · Feb 24, 2020

utilyan said: ↑

It doesn't say who hated God.
Learn to read.
Show us one person who HATES GOD and is Saved.
Paul does not hate God.

"God tells us that no one deserves his love,"

Quote him. Quote the Scriptures. This is SATAN's theology and not biblical.

You will never quote God saying all mankind deserves hell because it comes from the DEVILS mouth not Jesus.

It makes you gnash your teeth that God doesn't hate everyone as you do.

You hate the LOVING GOD. You hate that GOD IS LOVE. NAZIS hate too.

"I can only pray for you."
Pray for your hardened heart. You shove GOD and REJECT the holy spirit. Because FEAR is your GOD not LOVE.

Pray for the Courage to step up against YOUR DEVIL who crowns himself by stepping on others.

Here you have brothers and sisters who would die for you even if the whole universe hated you. They don't love you because of some lottery or to proof of might.

Jesus Christ is God, not some pagan who spouts everyone I decide to like will be saved and everyone I decide to hate is damned.
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Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.

Adonia · Feb 24, 2020

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Well, not until the 1600’s when the Particular Baptists built a church in London, anyway.
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You mean there is a sub sect of the Baptist sect called the "Particular Baptists"?

utilyan · Feb 24, 2020

Particular said: ↑

Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.
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Why would I need the devil to make me bad if I'm already totally depraved? You should be asking God to step in, instead of whinning about something you would ALSO be doing unless God zapped you with a elect mindwipe.

If shoe was on the other foot, I'd have perfect patience since I know its up to God to fix you, not up to you to fix you.

Particular · Feb 24, 2020

utilyan said: ↑

Why would I need the devil to make me bad if I'm already totally depraved? You should be asking God to step in, instead of whinning about something you would ALSO be doing unless God zapped you with a elect mindwipe.

If shoe was on the other foot, I'd have perfect patience since I know its up to God to fix you, not up to you to fix you.
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Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.

Yeshua1 · Feb 25, 2020

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No. The irregualar churches stop teaching the true gospel long before then.
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Yes, but that was when they made it official, Apostate Church!

Yeshua1 · Feb 25, 2020

Walpole said: ↑

Exactly. And as a reminder, many Protestants call their own pastors "vicars".

---> Vicar (Anglicanism) - Wikipedia
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We do not claim theological infallibility for them though!

Yeshua1 · Feb 25, 2020

Particular said: ↑

Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.
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He does not see all of us deserving hell, so is messed up in theology!

Yeshua1 · Feb 25, 2020

Particular said: ↑

LOL, our difference is we revere the living Christ who is seated at the throne and who places us with him while you perpetually place Jesus on the cross, never quite finishing what he started. Hence, you cannot ever say or fully believe you are saved.

Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
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The need for the masse and all sacraments, as well as purgatory and repudiating Pauline Justification tells one all need to know!

Walpole · Feb 25, 2020

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We do not claim theological infallibility for them though!
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Who claimed you did?

David Kent · Feb 25, 2020

atpollard said: ↑

Balderdash.
It is just a silly looking hat. The world is full of silly looking hats.

1. It doesn't really look that much like a fish.
2. It has no scales (like the cult of Dagon would have)
3. It came into use over a thousand years after Dagon worship had ceased, making a direct connection unlikely (even if there was a resemblance)
4. There are no eyes. Most are plain (or have a cross) and some are COVERED with ornamentation. You are just seeing "eyes" where you want to see eyes.

Stick with legitimate criticisms.
This sort of stuff hurts YOUR credibility, not theirs.
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So your popes and bishops wear silly looking hats just so that you can make fun of them? Without some other meaning? Well I agree with the fact that they are silly, or more than silly, as are all their vestments. Did Jesus go around dressed in gold and purple, yellow or scarlet? Or did any of the apostles wear such clowns garments?

David Kent · Feb 25, 2020

Hobie said: ↑

I was doing some work on the Greeks and how they pick up and passed on to the Romans the ancient Babylonian sun gods and system of worship, when I came across a interesting sermon on this:
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Herodotus said that the Greeks got the names of the God and Mathematics from the Egyptians. Josephus said the Egyptians got their knowledge of Mathematics and Astronomy from Abraham. That sound feasible as Abraham came from UR and it is said that mathematics began in UR.

Hobie said: ↑

By the time of Emperor Constantine, the Christian religion received imperial sanction and the bishop of Rome became more than just another bishop, and brought in a system of worship from another origin than Christianity.
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The first 'Christian' to carry the the Pont Max was Constantine, the first Roman to carry it was Julius Cæsar as head of the state and high priest of the pagan religion.(Cæsar was the first political ruler of Rome who was a priest)

Walpole · Feb 25, 2020

David Kent said: ↑

So your popes and bishops wear silly looking hats just so that you can make fun of them? Without some other meaning? Well I agree with the fact that they are silly, or more than silly, as are all their vestments. Did Jesus go around dressed in gold and purple, yellow or scarlet? Or did any of the apostles wear such clowns garments?
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If you don't like vestments ("clown garments"), you are going to be miserable in heaven...

Rev. 1:13 ---> "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."

Rev. 4:4 ---> "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

utilyan · Feb 25, 2020

David Kent said: ↑

So your popes and bishops wear silly looking hats just so that you can make fun of them? Without some other meaning? Well I agree with the fact that they are silly, or more than silly, as are all their vestments. Did Jesus go around dressed in gold and purple, yellow or scarlet? Or did any of the apostles wear such clowns garments?
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A suit and tie is more silly and would be looked at with even more confusion than a heavily ornate tunic which is all priest vestment is.

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