How to Tell if We're Beating Covid19

[Gold Dragon]

Trajectory of confirmed cases

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

LOL. Oh, brother. Who believes Communist China’s claims? Not the US CDC. No one should.

 

[Gold Dragon]

LOL. Oh, brother. Who believes Communist China’s claims? Not the US CDC. No one should.

There is a lot more data there than just what comes out of China. You can completely ignore the Chinese data if it makes you feel better. The data still shows the same thing.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Here is the chart without China’s data.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

There is a lot more data there than just what comes out of China. You can completely ignore the Chinese data if it makes you feel better. The data still shows the same thing.

"If it makes you feel better"? Good one. The dripping condescension in that reveals such a deep level of bias contextually one could well suspect its author of being a Communist Chinese operative.

We should never ignore China or its data, but we should never trust them either.

If the true Communist Chinese version of that map were posted, "Success!" would no doubt point to all of the other countries, with the possible exception of South Korea.

 

[Gold Dragon]

"If it makes you feel better"? Good one. The dripping condescension in that reveals such a deep level of bias contextually one could well suspect its author of being a Communist Chinese operative.

We should never ignore China or its data, but we should never trust them either.

If the true Communist Chinese version of that map were posted, "Success!" would no doubt point to all of the other countries, with the possible exception of South Korea.

So now I am a Deep State Communist Chinese operative.

What is it like to have the Chinese government living inside your head?


Anyway for those who don't see Chinese government conspiracies everywhere, this chart does show that the US is starting to make a dent in the exponential growth of Covid19 in the last 2 weeks which is reason for hope that measures are working.

Remeber there is always a data delay. The cases you are seeing today were infected a week before since most people don't become symptomatic and get tested until about day 4-5 after they are initially exposed and results take another 1-3 days to be processed and then make it to public health systems.

 

[Gold Dragon]

one could well suspect its author of being a Communist Chinese operative.

This reminds me of one week in my church here where there was a new Chinese family visiting our church. There are a lot families who have migrated from China to Australia living in our community and they often check out church to be more “Australian” which is ironic since Australians are becoming less and less Christian. But these migrants are often very receptive to the gospel and a fertile mission field.

In our conversation to get to know each other the husband brought up that Christianity was growing in China. I commented that maybe it was a reaction to the Chinese govt persecuting churches for so long. He started to get uncomfortable so we changed the topic and talked about something safer like our careers and i mentioned my medical background and asked about his. It turns out he worked for the communist party. Awkward.

We didn’t see them again but I hope they were able to find a church that could reveal the truth of Christ to them.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

This reminds me of one week in my church here where there was a new Chinese family visiting our church. There are a lot families who have migrated from China to Australia living in our community and they often check out church to be more “Australian” which is ironic since Australians are becoming less and less Christian. But these migrants are often very receptive to the gospel and a fertile mission field.

In our conversation to get to know each other the husband brought up that Christianity was growing in China. I commented that maybe it was a reaction to the Chinese govt persecuting churches for so long. He started to get uncomfortable so we changed the topic and talked about something safer like our careers and i mentioned my medical background and asked about his. It turns out he worked for the communist party. Awkward.

We didn’t see them again but I hope they were able to find a church that could reveal the truth of Christ to them.

Really, anyone imagining there are no Communist Chinese plots, conspiracies, misinformation, disinformation, etc., should be consistent and also deny they persecute people groups, religious groups, etc., as that would certainly fall under the category of plots and conspiracies.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

So now I am a Deep State Communist Chinese operative.

What is it like to have the Chinese government living inside your head?

Anyway for those who don't see Chinese government conspiracies everywhere, this chart does show that the US is starting to make a dent in the exponential growth of Covid19 in the last 2 weeks which is reason for hope that measures are working.

I don’t know what it’s like for them to be in my head but I can plainly see some of the devastation they’ve wreaked and continue to wreak.

What is sad is that someone would continue to promote them even after admitting they’ve created this pandemic through lies and deception.

Of course you're doing it for free, but that doesn't make it better.

 

[Deacon]

I’ve been working from home, calling previous appointments to the cardiologist and telling them it will be via telehealth.
Today I encountered my first patient that tested positive for the virus (moved his appointment to this Thursday).

The large group I work with has been keeping us up to date on what’s going on.
There is still so much that is unknown about Covid19. Much/most of what is reported is worthless noise.

Today our Cardiology practice sent out a notice about a video seminar our group developed discussing the biology, epidemiology, and clinical characteristics of Covid19.
A curious caveat in the announcement,

“Please remember, Dr. Silvestey’s presentation was recorded on April 17, 2020, and the information was current as of that time.”
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Let’s us know how fast things are changing!

For those interested in a medical lecture that concerns extent and the cardiac implications of the virus are you can watch => here <=

Rob

 

[Gold Dragon]

Really, anyone imagining there are no Communist Chinese plots, conspiracies, misinformation, disinformation, etc., should be consistent and also deny they persecute people groups, religious groups, etc., as that would certainly fall under the category of plots and conspiracies.

Strawmen much? there is a difference between saying that the Chinese govt does disinform, conspire some of the time (which is what I have said many times here) and saying that every piece of information that involves something positive about China is part of a disinformation conspiracy (which is what you are saying).

 

[Gold Dragon]

I don’t know what it’s like for them to be in my head but I can plainly see some of the devastation they’ve wreaked and continue to wreak.

What is sad is that someone would continue to promote them even after admitting they’ve created this pandemic through lies and deception.

Of course you're doing it for free, but that doesn't make it better.

Maybe you didn’t see my post before where I shared that my grandparents were persecuted in the cultural revolution and had everything taken away from them. They took their children to Hong Kong who later immigrated to Canada and built up everything they have through education, hard work and building up businesses ... the American Dream (in my case a lot of it actually occurred in America).

So I am acutely aware of the devastation of the Chinese communism. That doesn’t mean I see their plots everywhere I look. I would see my doctor for a mental health assessment if I started thinking that way.

 

[Benjamin]

So I am acutely aware of the devastation of the Chinese communism. That doesn’t mean I see their plots everywhere I look. I would see my doctor for a mental health assessment if I started thinking that way.

I've been thinking about our interaction with the Chinese and think it has become a way of life for the Chinese people, the Chinese Dream, to steal ideas from the USA and profit from it while overpowering any chance of us taking our production back. Kind of like that is what we exist for, is for them to be like parasites until we are no longer useful.and destroyed.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Strawmen much? there is a difference between saying that the Chinese govt does disinform, conspire some of the time (which is what I have said many times here) and saying that every piece of information that involves something positive about China is part of a disinformation conspiracy (which is what you are saying).

Nonsense. I've said no such thing. I said they cannot be trusted. They've proved that. There is no good reason to believe their data. They are not being open and they are not trustworthy.

But if you have definitive inside information that can prove otherwise fine, share it. But your feelings and assumptions about it mean nothing.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Maybe you didn’t see my post before where I shared that my grandparents were persecuted in the cultural revolution and had everything taken away from them. They took their children to Hong Kong who later immigrated to Canada and built up everything they have through education, hard work and building up businesses ... the American Dream (in my case a lot of it actually occurred in America).

So I am acutely aware of the devastation of the Chinese communism. That doesn’t mean I see their plots everywhere I look. I would see my doctor for a mental health assessment if I started thinking that way.

I may have missed that post, you're right. I'm glad they made it out alive. But you are badly misunderstanding what I am saying, if you really think I'm saying what you say you think I'm saying about the Communist Chinese government.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I said they cannot be trusted.

something I have agreed with over and over.

But if you have definitive inside information that can prove otherwise fine, share it.

Why would I do that if I have never said they should be trusted.

You are insinuating that myself and the makers of these videos of being part of some vast Chinese gov conspiracy just because it uses Chinese published data and calls it a success. Can you see how paranoid that is?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

something I have agreed with over and over. Why would I do that if I have never said they should be trusted.

You are insinuating that myself and the makers of these videos of being part of some vast Chinese gov conspiracy just because it uses Chinese published data and calls it a success. Can you see how paranoid that is?

Again, nonsense. I did not say you are part of a conspiracy. It is not paranoia but common sense. It is success only if the data is trustworthy. They have been opaque, refused to cooperate, lied and unleashed a devastating pandemic, all with the help of the WHO. They do not live in your utopian world.

There is no good reason to consider their data trustworthy without in-depth verification, which would take a very long time to achieve and require their complete cooperation.

Your insistence on relying on the Communist Chinese because you imagine they must be honest now because, well, they just have to be, is irrational or naïve. They do not have to abide by anyone else’s moral standards, and they do not abide by anyone else’s moral standards. Get real.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Again, nonsense. I did not say you are part of a conspiracy.

Are you that forgetful or do you just lie that easily? You insinuated that I was a Chinese govt operative, me being the author of that statement looking out for your feelings.

"If it makes you feel better"? Good one. The dripping condescension in that reveals such a deep level of bias contextually one could well suspect its author of being a Communist Chinese operative.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Your insistence on relying on the Communist Chinese because you imagine they must be honest now because, well, they just have to be, is irrational or naïve. They do not have to abide by anyone else’s moral standards, and they do not abide by anyone else’s moral standards. Get real.

I have said over and over again that the Chinese govt are not to be trusted and that their data is often unreliable. So again a completely false statement.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Are you that forgetful or do you just lie that easily? You insinuated that I was a Chinese govt operative, me being the author of that statement looking out for your feelings.

Yes, I gave you a little tit for tat, but you know good and well I chalked it up to your inherent bias, not to you actually being an operative. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but you brought them up.

My point was and is that your posts are far too positive toward Communist China where there is no warrant for it. They are the ones set on lying, not me. Pointing to their deeply dubious data and calling it success is simply ridiculous, but that's what your posted video did. That's a good way to lower your credibility to WHO status, which is very low now.