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Why some people hate the police.
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No, it's not his standard <15 min video but it is a more complicated issue and I presented it because I felt many people - on this forum especially - tend to trivialize the viewpoint of those who have problems with the police. I can summarize if you want but I won't claim to be as good a presenter as he is.
There are 5 type of police/prison guards.
1. Those that are there for the paycheck.
2. Those that want to be popular.
3. Those that believe in rehabilitation and believe they can do this through kindness.
4. Those that believe in rehabilitation and believe they can do this through being strict.
5. Those who are there to inflict pain and flex their power over others.
People tend to remember #5 more than any of the others because of the base survival instinct people have. So even though most police encounters by a person might be positive, the encounters by #5 will stand out in their mind.
Next, as a whole, police and prison guards tend to
A. Not have to follow the rules.
B. Protect other police and prison guards by lying, keeping quiet, or destroying evidence.
C. Be unconcerned about injustice or violating other people's rights.
He even gives examples of when police would do this to him and Nabeel Qureshi while they were discussing the Gospel. A lot of the video is discussing specific examples.
Nearer the end he mentions that this takes a totally different view from the experience of a black person. When a black person encounters a white #5, they don't know if that person is #5 because they are racist or #5 because they are a butthole. Because of the historical of relations between white and black people and the base survival instinct, black people will assume #5 is #5 because he or she is a racist.
A community also has a shared experience. When a black community has to deal with repeated injustice on them by the police and has no recourse against them, it becomes a shared narrative and history within the community.
Within those who protest, there are also #5s which are usually handled through the standard mechanisms.
However, because of A, B, and C, #5s within a police department or correctional facility are not removed until it reaches national attention. He suggests a periodic public forum where the police chief, lawmakers, and prosecutors are required to listen to the grievances of a community.
A very brief summary.
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The whole hating police has nothing to do with police behavior. It all about nationalizing law enforcement to gain control of this country. They start with hate and then look for reasons to complain.
You like arguing with straw men?
I do wish we would abolish Georgia DMVHS. Nothing but a nuisance. A time wasting nuisance.
Another person who argues with straw men and tries to derail threads.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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He basically explained why prejudice, including racism, can build up within a community. People generalize, stereotype, and are influenced by the attitudes of others. Not really news. He also ignored the transition that has been made in hiring numerous black officers. And he extrapolated his experiences with prison guards to general law enforcement.
My first suggestion to solve the problem he describes is for people in a community to repent of their sin, stop sinning, stop committing crime. But of course that’s not going to happen, so we will have to move on to other solutions. However, it seems that he did not address this aspect at all, and if it is neglected, a community is not going to fare well, police or no police.
Just thinking about something - do we need to rehab prisoners who are serving a life term?
It doesn't make a strawman to reject your premise of 5 categories leading to being followed by your premise that in the whole police tend to A,B,and C which is nothing more than building on a predetermined narrative meant to justify your conclusion that these types of so called "protests" are necessary and productive. IOWs, not only do I reject your argument but I brought it back to the truth that these instigating political protesters trying to abolish the police are lowlifes and nothing more than THUGS by pointing out the foolishness because that without police in this society, both white and black people would join together and take matters in their own hands, would end up abolishing these THUGS on their own.
Centrist
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Isn't there a fella in California that's doing life in prison for stealing donuts?
atpollard
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Are they still Human Beings in the image of God? If so, then they are still worth "saving" (although only God can change a heart and "rehabilitate").
No they dont
First, why not just say "A community also has a shared experience. When a -- community has to deal with repeated injustice
atpollard
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SAorry for responding in reverse order, but I think it makes more sense.
The purpose of prison is not punishment, it is to protect society from harm by "anti-social" individuals.
I agree with this statement on the purpose of Rehab, but the recidivism rate indicates that Prisons are not places of rehabilitation. That said, if one were to seek to rehabilitate individuals in prison, your definition of "society" is too narrow, as is your definition of "contributing". Everyone having the "Imagio Dei" is theoretically capable of being regenerated ... even someone serving "life". Prison, for better or worse, functions as an insular 'society' of its own and "rehabilitating" the permanent members of that society has the potential to dramatically improve the character of THAT "society" far more than encouraging ever greater depravity by those with nothing to lose.
atpollard
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Yes, a community does have a shared experience ... that is part of what makes it a "community".
RighteousnessTemperance&
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I'm glad he became a Christian in prison and was able to overcome his inherited criminal past. On the one hand, it's too bad he wasn't in a place to be "Scared Straight" in his youth. On the other, his experiences qualify him to express a perspective few know firsthand, though they follow closely the Hollywood stereotype where criminals are essentially glorified. Certainly, his version is interesting and does have some valid points, they just aren't the whole story, not by a long shot.
His best point is that the criminal element have it much rougher in prison, where certain subcultures naturally exist, including among prison guards, but especially among prisoners. He said it himself: To the inmates, the worst sort of prisoner—worse than paedophiles—is one who tells the warden the truth about the evils another prisoner commits. Had he taken the route of a snitch, he might not be alive today. He made it clear that such were given a death sentence, if found out. In other words, he deliberately perpetuated the subculture of the imprisoned criminal element to avoid ending up dead.
Guess what, people do the same outside of prison, perpetuating crime in their communities.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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There is an entirely different perspective in the very same types of neighborhoods he experienced young. While BLM & their ilk champion the cases of thugs who are mistreated by police, or not, others clamor for police protection from those very same thugs mistreating them. The idea that the black community has a single harmonious view of the situation is a lie. Those who emphasize isolated cases where police seem to be singling them out for scrutiny are conveniently forgetting the extensive criminal element in their midst who are even murdering, often indiscriminately, often "their own."
A huge part of the solution is for the black community to wake up from their stupor and realize that they are being played by the criminal element and politicians (pardon the redundancy) into adopting precisely the type of prejudice they claim to deplore and which prevents progress. All police are not guilty of the sins of a few, and those guilty are not driven by racism. That narrative is a nonstarter and will only divide honest people, because some will unwittingly allow themselves to be played by the criminal element, especially those that are politicians.
A huge part of the solution is for the black community to wake up from their stupor and realize that they are being played by the criminal element and politicians (pardon the redundancy) into adopting precisely the type of prejudice they claim to deplore and which prevents progress. All police are not guilty of the sins of a few, and those guilty are not driven by racism. That narrative is a nonstarter and will only divide honest people, because some will unwittingly allow themselves to be played by the criminal element, especially those that are politicians.
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