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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Apr 20, 2022.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Yes...like Austin you see right past the outward veneer and you also have captured the very essence.
     
    #41 Iconoclast, Apr 20, 2022
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    Veneer?

    What you two are talking about "jettisoning" are God's words because you think they read "like a quote right out of the new age movement".
     
    #42 JonC, Apr 20, 2022
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    He said your words, not scripture.can you ever be honest when making a claim.
     
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    It was your words, not scripture.
     
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    I understand. You reject that spiritual truth is spiritual words combined with spiritual thoughts. You do not believe this to be biblical but instead is "new age thought".



    1 Corinthians 2:12–14 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
    13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

    But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
     
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    In you threads on atonement, you made it clear that to you the Cross has nothing to do with the atonement. Jesus was simply a martyr. His death doesn't save us, you said. You said His 'vindication' does. That God was so moved that He simply forgives the sins of those who are also moved by the martyrdom of Christ.

    Now, in line with your worldly wisdom, which despises the Cross, you assert here that one can embrace error, and that as long as he acts a certain way, he really is in the truth.
     
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    @Aaron,

    I made it clear that the cross....not only that Christ died but his manner of death....has everything to do with the Atonement

    What I said was that having been reconciled by Christ's death we shall be saved by His life with Scripture.

    You and @Iconoclast reject that idea because it does not suit your theology

    But you have failed to address my belief that having been reconciled by Christ's death we shall be saved by His life with Scripture.

    Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
     
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    Yes, yes, yes. When pressed you spout the jargon, but you mean something else. You made it clear 'we aren't even in the picture' in His death. We do not identify with His death, only in His 'vindication,' as you understand it.

    My (JonC) view of the Atonement
     
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    No. I mean exactly what I say.

    Christ had to suffer and die, not only that but the means of death had the a Roman cross.

    How is that saying the cross has nothing to do with Atonement? That is actually your position (God chose the cross, but anywhere He could punish Christ would have worked in your philosophy).
     
    #49 JonC, Apr 21, 2022
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    A secondary issue, unless one holds to either baptismal regeneration or required to get saved, and that makes it a heresy!
     
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    Again, there is no spiritual truth apart from one having correct biblical doctrines, as the bible itself is the truth from God to us!
     
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    Or perhaps he is emphasizing unity over spiritual doctrines?
     
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    Are not the words of scriptures all spiritual truths, are not correct doctrines spiritual truths?
     
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    Unless one has correct doctrines though, will not have real spiritual truth!
     
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    Jesus death per your view is neither the reformed nor the standard Baptist view!
     
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    We reject that one can have any spiritual truth apart from having the correct doctrines of the scriptures!
     
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    How were our sins atoned and paid for? Do you hold that God the father can simple forgive and justify us due to Him not feeling like it, as Jesus death as a good man changed His mind towards us?
     
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    Yes you have captured it once again, like a polaroid.

    We are all seeing the same pattern, of course we are all wrong,lol
     
    #58 Iconoclast, Apr 21, 2022
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    "SPIRITUALITY" within the bounds of "THE TRUTH".

    How about that?
     
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    Has to be one of the most asinine posts on this board. Anyone who engages this nonsense should have their head examined.
     
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