Justification

[KenH]

"Christians are accustomed to the idea that "salvation" comes by faith, especially in opposition to works. Although faith is applied to every aspect of the Christian life, it has special relevance when it comes to the justification of God's chosen ones. JUSTIFICATION is an act of God by which he imputes the righteousness of Christ to the elect person, and declares that this elect person is righteous on the basis of the righteousness of Christ. Therefore, it is a forensic righteousness credited to the believer as a gift, and not a righteousness achieved by the elect's own good works.

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Since justification involves a forensic declaration, it is an instantaneous act, and in the mind of God, an eternal act. A person is either justified or unjustified. He does not gradually become justified, but he is revealed as justified through Jesus Christ when he professes faith in the gospel."

- from Vincent Cheung's Systematic Theology

 

[Van]

Once again we have a bogus definition of justification..
Romans 4:21-25
and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.
Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM [Abraham] AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.


Thus Pauline Justification teaches those whose faith is credited by God as righteousness are those God justifies through the blood of the Lamb. So simple a child can understand it. Our reconciliation occurs when we are justified when God places us individually in Christ and we undergo the washing of regeneration.

So do you believe in Him who raised Jesus from the dead?

 

[JesusFan]

Once again we have a bogus definition of justification..
Romans 4:21-25
and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.
Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM [Abraham] AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.


Thus Pauline Justification teaches those whose faith is credited by God as righteousness are those God justifies through the blood of the Lamb. So simple a child can understand it. Our reconciliation occurs when we are justified when God places us individually in Christ and we undergo the washing of regeneration.

So do you believe in Him who raised Jesus from the dead?

Van, why do you keep on denying Pauline Justification?

 

[JesusFan]

"Christians are accustomed to the idea that "salvation" comes by faith, especially in opposition to works. Although faith is applied to every aspect of the Christian life, it has special relevance when it comes to the justification of God's chosen ones. JUSTIFICATION is an act of God by which he imputes the righteousness of Christ to the elect person, and declares that this elect person is righteous on the basis of the righteousness of Christ. Therefore, it is a forensic righteousness credited to the believer as a gift, and not a righteousness achieved by the elect's own good works.

...

Since justification involves a forensic declaration, it is an instantaneous act, and in the mind of God, an eternal act. A person is either justified or unjustified. He does not gradually become justified, but he is revealed as justified through Jesus Christ when he professes faith in the gospel."

- from Vincent Cheung's Systematic Theology

No wonder even Apostle Paul was just in awe of "Pauline Justification"

 

[KenH]

So do you believe in Him who raised Jesus from the dead?

Yes. He imputed(credited) my sins to Christ and imputed(credited) Christ's perfect righteousness to me. He regenerated me and gave me the gifts of faith and repentance.

 

[Van]

Van, why do you keep on denying Pauline Justification?

You deny Pauline Justification as post #2 demonstrated.

 

[Van]

Yes. He imputed(credited) my sins to Christ and imputed(credited) Christ's perfect righteousness to me. He regenerated me and gave me the gifts of faith and repentance.

One must wonder why this poster of obviously false doctrine continues to post. Post #2 demonstrates Pauline Justification occurs when God places an individual into Christ spiritually after He has credited their faith as righteousness.

One must wonder what these folks think occurs during the "washing of regeneration" or the "circumcision of Christ?"

 

[KenH]

One must wonder why this poster of obviously false doctrine continues to post.

Why do I continue to post? First, because I am allowed to post on this board. Second, you asked me a question, I answered your question.

 

[Van]

Why do I continue to post? First, because I am allowed to post on this board. Second, you asked me a question, I answered your question.

Notice the deflection, addressing me and not the question?

One must wonder what these folks think occurs during the "washing of regeneration" or the "circumcision of Christ?"

 

[KenH]

Notice the deflection, addressing me and not the question?

One must wonder what these folks think occurs during the "washing of regeneration" or the "circumcision of Christ?"

Titus 3:4-7 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (emphasis mine)

"by the washing of regeneration, not the ordinance of water baptism; for that is never expressed by washing, nor is it the cause or means of regeneration; the cause being the Spirit of God, and the means the word of God: and besides, persons ought to be regenerated before they are baptized; and they may be baptized, and yet not regenerated, as Simon Magus; nor is it a saving ordinance, or a point of salvation; nor can it be opposed to works of righteousness, as this washing is; for that itself is a work of righteousness; see Matt 3:15 and if persons were saved by that, they would be saved by a work of righteousness, contrary to the text itself: but regenerating grace is meant, or a being born of water, and of the Spirit; that is, of the grace of the Spirit, comparable to water for its purity and cleansing virtue: hence such who are regenerated and sanctified, are said to be washed and cleansed, having their hearts purified by faith, and their consciences purged from sin by the blood of Christ"

- John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

 

[JesusFan]

Notice the deflection, addressing me and not the question?

One must wonder what these folks think occurs during the "washing of regeneration" or the "circumcision of Christ?"

We are placed into Christ and the Body by the Holy Spirit when we receive Jesus as Lord thru faith, correct?

 

[JesusFan]

"not the ordinance of water baptism; for that is never expressed by washing, nor is it the cause or means of regeneration; the cause being the Spirit of God, and the means the word of God: and besides, persons ought to be regenerated before they are baptized; and they may be baptized, and yet not regenerated, as Simon Magus; nor is it a saving ordinance, or a point of salvation; nor can it be opposed to works of righteousness, as this washing is; for that itself is a work of righteousness; see Matt 3:15 and if persons were saved by that, they would be saved by a work of righteousness, contrary to the text itself: but regenerating grace is meant, or a being born of water, and of the Spirit; that is, of the grace of the Spirit, comparable to water for its purity and cleansing virtue: hence such who are regenerated and sanctified, are said to be washed and cleansed, having their hearts purified by faith, and their consciences purged from sin by the blood of Christ"

- John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

How can God gave us "credit" for the gift of faith that he Himself gave to us as a free gift?

 

[KenH]

Notice the deflection, addressing me and not the question?

One must wonder what these folks think occurs during the "washing of regeneration" or the "circumcision of Christ?"

Colossians 2:10-12 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. (emphasis mine)

"by the circumcision of Christ; not that with which Christ was circumcised at eight days old, that he might appear to be truly man, and a son of Abraham, and under the law, and to fulfil all the righteousness of it, but that which he by his Spirit is the author of, and what is before expressed"

- John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

 

[JesusFan]

Once again we have a bogus definition of justification..
Romans 4:21-25
and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.
Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM [Abraham] AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.


Thus Pauline Justification teaches those whose faith is credited by God as righteousness are those God justifies through the blood of the Lamb. So simple a child can understand it. Our reconciliation occurs when we are justified when God places us individually in Christ and we undergo the washing of regeneration.

So do you believe in Him who raised Jesus from the dead?

By WHAT basis were you justified and saved by God, thru your choice or thru the Cross of Christ?

 

[Van]

We are placed into Christ and the Body by the Holy Spirit when we receive Jesus as Lord thru faith, correct?

Having presented the specific scriptures and explained it to you over 100 times over the years, your question seems fained.

 

[Van]

By WHAT basis were you justified and saved by God, thru your choice or thru the Cross of Christ?

Having presented the specific scriptures and explained it to you over 100 times over the years, your question seems fained.

 

[Van]

Titus 3:4-7 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (emphasis mine)

"by the washing of regeneration, not the ordinance of water baptism; for that is never expressed by washing, nor is it the cause or means of regeneration; the cause being the Spirit of God, and the means the word of God: and besides, persons ought to be regenerated before they are baptized; and they may be baptized, and yet not regenerated, as Simon Magus; nor is it a saving ordinance, or a point of salvation; nor can it be opposed to works of righteousness, as this washing is; for that itself is a work of righteousness; see Matt 3:15 and if persons were saved by that, they would be saved by a work of righteousness, contrary to the text itself: but regenerating grace is meant, or a being born of water, and of the Spirit; that is, of the grace of the Spirit, comparable to water for its purity and cleansing virtue: hence such who are regenerated and sanctified, are said to be washed and cleansed, having their hearts purified by faith, and their consciences purged from sin by the blood of Christ"
[SNIP]
"by the circumcision of Christ; not that with which Christ was circumcised at eight days old, that he might appear to be truly man, and a son of Abraham, and under the law, and to fulfil all the righteousness of it, but that which he by his Spirit is the author of, and what is before expressed"

- John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary

John Gill has no idea of what he is talking about. The washing of regeneration has nothing to do with water baptism done by the hands of men. He did not address the spiritual location where this washing occurs. Pathetic.

John Gill has no idea of what he is talking about. The Circumcision of Christ has nothing to do with Christ's physical circumcision, but with the removal of a redeemed individual's sin burden, the so-called body of flesh, which refers to what God holds against the individual due to the individual's sins, past, present and future. He did not address where this justification occurs. Pathetic.

 

[KenH]

John Gill has no idea of what he is talking about. The washing of regeneration has nothing to do with water baptism done by the hands of men.

To quote John Gill from an earlier post in this thread: "not the ordinance of water baptism"

 

[KenH]

ohn Gill has no idea of what he is talking about. The Circumcision of Christ has nothing to do with Christ's physical circumcision

To quote John Gill from an earlier post in this thread: "not that with which Christ was circumcised at eight days old"

 

[Van]

To quote John Gill from an earlier post in this thread: "not that with which Christ was circumcised at eight days old"

To quote John Gill from an earlier post in this thread: "not that with which Christ was circumcised at eight days old"

Please stop wasting time deflecting. Where are the redeemed spiritual location when they undergo the "washing of regeneration" also called "the Circumcision of Christ?" After being placed within Christ? Please stop suppressing the truth.