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Was MLK Jr. a Christian?

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  1. JonC

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    I think we all accept that MLK Jr. made great strides in the civil rights movement. I don't mean my question to take from his accomplishments in the social realm.

    But we also know MLK Jr.'s "theology" as he has written of his faith.

    Regarding Christ, MLK Jr. rejected:

    1. The virgin birth
    2. The divinity of Christ
    3. The bodily resurrection of Christ
    4. The doctrine of the Trinity
    5. A supernatural salvation


    Instead MKL Jr. viewed those doctrines as ancient ideas disproven by science. He viewed the resurrection as Christ's teachings not dying with Jesus but living on and Jesus' earthly ministry a call for social reform.

    So, would you consider MLK Jr. a Christian?

    (MLK Jr.'s papers are avaliable at the King Institute, Stanford University).
     
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    God used a person who rejected Jesus as God to positively change the evils of racism. Here is what MLK says about Jesus in his letter from the Birmingham jail:
    "In your statement you asserted that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But can this assertion be logically made? Isn't this like condemning the robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical delvings precipitated the misguided popular mind to make him drink the hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because His unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to His will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion?"

    It is very clear that MLK denied Jesus as God and therefore did not know our King as Lord and Savior. This is very sad.
    Yet, God used MLK and ordained him to do a great work in breaking down the racial divide in the United States.
     
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    Arian perhaps?
     
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    But in some ways - he also made people more racist.
    based on what he wrote about salvation - it appears he was not born again
     
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    He claimed that baptism was no big deal to him. Many people walked forward before him and he decided to join in, and that he never understood the big deal made about it.
     
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    For MLK, Jesus was just a highly enlightened guru, much like the Buddha.
     
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    Not saying you are wrong, yet
    It is not clear to me.
     
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    What's not clear?
    Perhaps find MLK's dissertation paper at Boston University where he openly tells us his theology where Jesus is simply a highly enlightened man.
    Here is a quote from MLKs paper:
    Where then can we in the liberal tradition find the divine dimension in Jesus? We may find the divinity of Christ not in his substantial unity with God, but in his filial consciousness and in his unique dependence upon God. It was his felling of absolute dependence on God, as Schleiermaker would say, that made him divine.

    Now go back and read the quote from the Letter from the Birmingham jail and see that MLK did not believe Jesus is God incarnate.

    MLK had a liberal opinion of God. He was not Trinitarian.

    "The Humanity and Divinity of Jesus"
     
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    I am not very well read in MLK's writings, other than his most famous speeches, Letter From a Birmingham Jail, and some of his seminary papers, but I think that most of these kind of questions are misplaced and come from a lack of perspective regarding the history of the Jim Crow era.

    (1) Most, if not all, "conservative" seminaries were closed to him because of his ethnic background. And remember, racism was not limited to the Southern United States.
    (2) People who like to ask this question look at his seminary assignments, which represent a theologian early in his theological development. My own views from my seminary years are different from my present beliefs. I am more "conservative" in some areas and more "liberal" in others.
    (3) Many of those who look at MLK's theology assume that a person is made right with God because of correct theology, instead of submission to Christ. They completely miss the first of two points Jesus made to His religious critics in John 5:39. Jesus points out that His critics THINK they have eternal life MEDIATED through the scriptures instead of the scripture being a TESTIMONY of Jesus.
    (4) MLK wrote his seminary papers to receive a grade and, ultimately, a degree. In both "liberal" and "conservative" realms, writing theology that strongly opposes the views of the seminary is a good way to find yourself on the street with nothing to show for your efforts. That being said, it does appear that MLK was strongly formed by classical Protestant liberalism (something quite different from what is often called "liberalism" in conservative circles today), and it is a shame since he probably did not have the opportunity to find an academic community of theologically orthodox Christians to nurture his considerable intellect and gifts.
     
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    I understand liberal Christianity, and I don't believe liberal Christians to be any less Christian than I.

    But there is a difference between liberal Christian and non-Christian.

    MLK Jr. was focused on social injustice, and this influenced his faith. Scripture refers to this as allowing the problems of this world to rob that "seed".

    His accomplishments were in the social, not religious realm. He was simply not Christian.

    The reason it is important today is there are movements which seek social reform under the name of Christ while not actually being Christian.

    MLK Jr. was like Thomas Jefferson. Neither man's accomplishments should be minimalized, but at the same time they were not Christian.
     
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    OK then he didn’t believe. I was falsely under the impression that MLK was a Christian Baptist Pastor. Then, how was he allowed to shepherd a Christian church?
     
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    I am hesitant to declare anyone saved or unsaved, since no one really knows but God.

    We can say from his writings that he, at least for most of his life, denied key doctrine which is inconsistent with a profession of faith in Jesus.

    BUT…. Since salvation (a right relationship with God) is a work of God from start to finish, we cannot exclude the possibility that God Holy Spirit, on the morning he was killed, brought him to conviction and acceptance by faith in the truth of Jesus Christ, crucified for his sins and risen from the dead.

    peace to you
     
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    With those being truths that he rejected, I do not understand the reason for this threads question.


    [The believing anyone to be saved or lost does not make it to be that wav. Now if Universalism was to be true, what one believes does not matter.]
     
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    People are constantly posting disparaging assertions about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We know that the FBI fabricated evidence to disparage him. Now we see the claim he did not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Is that true? Nope.
    [Paul talked]...about a spiritual body. A spiritual body. Whatever form, that isn’t important right now. The important thing is that that Resurrection did occur. Important thing is that that grave was empty. Important thing is the fact that Jesus had given himself to certain eternal truths and eternal principles that nobody could crucify and escape. So all of the nails in the world could never pierce this truth. All of the crosses of the world could never block this love. All of the graves in the world could never bury this goodness. Jesus had given himself to certain universal principles. And so today the Jesus and the God that we worship are inescapable. ​
     
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    The fb0 did slander him badly. Just like Trump.
     
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    The claim - those were his writings!

    When I lived in Atlanta back in 70-71, I was told (but I have not verified) that supports of King believed he was going to rise from the dead on the following Easter (which would have been 1969)
    Has anyone else heard this?

    Why did people dislike King?
     
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    How do we know the snippets provided to disparage MLK Jr were not taken out of context or written to mesh with the viewpoints of those grading the paper. My quote is from a published sermon.
     
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    The reason for the post is farily simple. I was thinking of this not because of the holiday but upon considering words by Raphael Warnock (now a Senator but pastored Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta).

    I have noticed that we (Christians) sometimes try to uplift great men as believers when their faith is at least somewhat in doubt.

    I wonder what effect, if any, this has on the Christian community.

    MLK Jr.'s contributions to the civil rights movement should be in no way diminished. In that realm he was a great man who galvanized millions to right a wrong. And I believe God used MLK Jr. for that purpose.

    But MLK Jr. was not, by biblical definition, a Christian. We do not have to wonder because he was not silent about his beliefs. He was very clear, even embracing, what we would today call "double speak" (in his Easter Sermon, for example).

    This makes me wonder a couple of things:

    1. Prior to the Civil Rights Movement, where was the church? Why did it take a gifted but secular leader like MLK Jr. to galvanize Christians into action?

    2. What effect does this form of "Christianity" have on the understanding of our faith today? Beyond portraits and stained glass windows of a leader who viewed supernatural salvation, the bodily resurrection, divinity of Christ, ect. as an archaic myth, does this carry over into doctrine and if so to what effect?
     
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    This is a good snippet. In MLK Jr.'s Easter sermon he hits these points. It is good vs evil, and Easter coming to race relations.

    MLK Jr. declared the grave empty. He explained that this is empty of the ideas proclaimed - that the gospel did not die with Jesus but rose and lives.

    The question is why we dismiss MKL Jr.'s own explanation in favor of how we may take his words as orthodox when we would quickly dismiss tge pastor of somebody else.
     
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    Because they are MLK's published explanations of his faith apart from his sermons and we can read the entire papers for ourselves.


    We can certainly read his sermons and take rhem as we will, without truly considering the man's personal faith. But we could also listen to the man explain his meaning and come to a better (althogh unfortunate) understanding of the man's philosophy and focus.

    This is only one example:


    "All ideas, however profound or however naive, are produced by conditions and experiences that grow from the producers’ environment. . . .we shall discuss the experiences of early Christians which lead to three rather orthodox doctrines—the divine sonship of Jesus, the virgin birth, and the bodily resurrection. Each of these doctrines is enshrined in what is known as “the Apostles’ Creed.” . . . But in the minds of many sincere Christians this creed has planted a seed of confusion which has grown to an oak of doubt. They see this creed as incompatible with all scientific knowledge, and so they have proceeded to reject its content

    But if we delve into the deeper meaning of these doctrines, and somehow strip them of their literal interpretation, we will find that they are based on a profound foundation. Although we may be able to argue with all degrees of logic that these doctrines are historically and philolophically untenable, yet we can never undermind the foundation on which they are based. . .

    The Church called Jesus divine because they had found God in him. They could only identify him with the highest and best in the universe. It was this great experience with the historical Jesus that led the early Christians to see him as the divine son of God.

    . . . all New Testament scholars agree that the word virgin is not found in the Hebrew original, but only in the Greek text which is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word for “young woman.” . . .

    The last doctrine in our discussion deals with the resurrection story. This doctrine, upon which the Easter Faith rests, symbolizes the ultimate Christian conviction: that Christ conquered death. From a literary, historical, and philosophical point of view this doctrine raises many questions. In fact the external evidence for the authenticity of this doctrine is found wanting. But here again the external evidence is not the most important thing, for it in itself fails to tell us precisely the thing we most want to know: What experiences of early Christians lead to the formulation of the doctrine?

    The root of our inquiry is found in the fact that the early Christians had lived with Jesus. They had been captivated by the magnetic power of his personality. This basic experience led to the faith that he could never die. And so in the pre-scientific thought pattern of the first century, this inner faith took outward form. But it must be remembered that before the doctrine was formulated or the event recorded, the early Christians had had a lasting experience with the Christ. They had come to see that the essential note in the Fourth Gospel is the ultimate force in Christianity: The living, deathless person of Christ. They expressed this in terms of the outward, but it was an inner experience that lead to its expression."

    "What Experiences of Christians Living in the Early Christian Century Led to the Christian Doctrines of the Divine Sonship of Jesus, the Virgin Birth, and the Bodily Resurrection"
     
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